MBB: USA South Conference

[captj]

As much as I like seeing 4 CNU players in the top 15, there is something inherently wrong with this formula if it indicates that Donta Selden is our FIFTH best player!

[captj]

Check your spreadsheet, narch.  I'm entering total numbers and dividing by the number of games (no per-game stats) and I'm getting slightly different values.

Example -

Both Romeo and Lewis should have 26.33 points instead of 26.4 and 25.55.  I don't think that you should be using rounded off per-game stats.

[captj]

When you look at the stats and their application into narch's PVR formula it is pretty clear why Donta Selden doesn't have a higher score.  It's the assist/turnover ratio, and it goes back to what I've been saying all year... he's just not a point guard.  Every once in a while he throws one into the stands.  But all year he's been the one to provide relief for Davon, while at the same time trying to keep some semblance of harmony with the starting team when Davon is in the game.  It's a very selfless thing for Donta to do, and I'm sure that if he got the usual relief like most other wings and didn't have to play out of position, he'd have far fewer turnovers and thus a higher PVR.  And, he could emphasize scoring more.  Stats don't tell everything.

[cnufan]

Two things:

Yes Tommasino picks up the tab for lunch and dinner, thank you very much!!

And secondly, and I hate to say this, but can you honestly include Berg in the numbers?? Now I know narch is big on conference only stuff and so am I, but I still think a player needs to be on the team for the full year to get an all-conference nomination. I know this may stir up some debate and thats good. I would like to see  what everyone else thinks. I dont want to take anything away from the Berg kid, I thought he was decent Sunday, it definitely wasnt a great game, even tho he scored 20. Just curious to everyone's thoughts. Dont shoot me or anything!!

[captj]

I don't have a clue about the details of young Mr. Berg transferring to GC, but there are certainly a lot of questions.  How can a guy in his very last semester of eligibility just leave school?  If GC has similar transfer requirements as CNU, he will have to attend a LOT of courses at GC to get his degree there.  So what is he going to do next fall?  Transfer BACK to Eckerd to get his degree?  It seems like if he kept up with his studies during the 3.5 years he was there, he would have close to what he needs to do so.  I hope that the GC posters on this board will let us know next fall if he's enrolled at GC.

But to Goose's question; IMHO he should be eligible.  He has played in all of GC's conference games.  If they don't make him eligible that would be like not making freshmen eligible.

[pride1fan]

The head coach at GC was at Eckard last year and from what I hear he and Berg had a good relationship.

[narch]

captj - no question rounding makes a slight difference, but as long as it is done consistently, it shouldn't really affect the numbers

goose13 - i totally disagree re: berg, although i'm not sure the coaches/sid's will agree with me - to me, all non-conference stats should be thrown out the window when compiling an all-conference team...it is an all-conference team, after all

on berg...i'd be interested in finding out how old he is...at one time gc had a different (much lower) tuition rate if you're over a certain age (i think it's 23) - i think that policy is still in place, but i'll have to do some research...in the past, some athletes have "red-shirted" by sitting out a semester or 2 and then returned after they reached the magical age - if you're at that age, even if it takes a little longer to get your degree, you might save money - i'm not saying this is the case with berg, and there is nothing inherently "illegal" with this scenario if it is the case

FIXED THE STAT LINE

here is the entire stat line i'm using for each player

PLAYER	TEAM	PPG	RPG	SPG	APG	BPG	TOPG	PVR
HALL	NCWC	24.5	4.3	2.2	4	0.3	5.2	47.3
BERG	GC	18.8	5.2	1	3	0	3	45
ARRINGTON	NCWC	22.8	3.8	1	1.3	0.2	3.8	39
LAWRENCE	SU	12.8	12.8	1	0.5	0.83	3.2	37.76
THOMAS	MC	13.3	8	1.2	2.7	0.5	2.3	36.7
BLASSINGAME	CNU	9	9.8	0.5	0.7	3.3	1.7	34.4
DELEON	AU	10.2	8.5	1	1.7	1.2	2.5	31.6
RAY	FC	10.2	7	1.7	1.4	0.8	0.8	31.55
BARTON	CNU	13.5	2.5	1.8	4.2	0	3.5	29.85
NEWMAN	GC	14.8	2.4	0.5	1.8	0.7	1.5	29.3
WILLIAMS	AU	12.5	2.8	0.5	4.2	0.2	2.8	28.3
GRANT	MC	12.5	4	0.7	3.2	0	3	27.7
MCDUFFIE	GC	11.5	3.3	1.5	3.3	0.5	3	27.55
ROMEO	CNU	14.8	1.7	0.7	1	0.2	1.2	26.4
LEWIS	CNU	10.7	5.8	0.3	1.5	0.7	2.7	25.55

[narch]

somehow that stat line got a bit messed up...i'll fix it

[ballgame]

Gents, I am going to use one of my "authorized" (at least I think it is) chits to comment on Narch's PVR stats.  Note Narch did say, "this IS NOT necessarily my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team."   Though PVR is interesting it's too bad you cannot include heart, toughness, follower, leader, and attitude (which really is the sum of the aforementioned).  Certainly, from what I've observed (fortunate to have seen all the games thus far) a few of the Captains would REALLY incur some bonus points. 

Captj already mentioned Donta.....ditto on that one...6 points or 30 points, he is enthusiastic and always plays hard....his leadership has been special.  Athletically I've always thought the Captains had "potential."   But suspected there success would depend on how they grew as a team.  A couple of defining moments....and these young men REALLY won my admiration....not so much as it applies to basketball, but life in general (I know, a little to deep).  At Ferrum -- was not Davon's day and he sat for a good portion of the second half.  But the kid didn't pout...exactly the opposite...he was cheering on his teammates and still had that big broad smile of his after the game.  He knew he would live to fight another day and that day came pretty quick.   At Averett – it was not Jeremy or Korey's day, they sat a good portion of the second half....did they pout?....nope, they were cheering their teammates on....you have to respect and cheer for young men who display such outstanding attitudes and impeccable character...it will serve them well in life after basketball.  Davon at Averett, well 19 points on his 19th birthday....he shot lights out and made some HUGE baskets!    Jeremy and Korey...they really put it together on the court this weekend.  Couldn't have been happier for our senior sharp shooter! 

Methodist – talented.  They scare me.  I could be wrong....but could sense they were having some chemistry problems.      Real surprised to see Dragon sit the entire second half....Narch the team has potential, but the clock is REALLY ticking. 

Also, thought Greensboro was talented—we really pinned their ears back the first half, but they played well the second half and never quit....both Methodist and Greensboro will be tough on the road.  Thanks for the dime gents....hope to see you Captains fans around the neighborhood. 

Narch, I do like your numbers though....thanks for the work. 

[Monarch96]

Narch
A score that may interest you from previous post Maryville (TN) beat division II Carson Newman (South Atlantic Conference- Lenoir Rhyne, Catawba, etc.). 

I love the way you guys crunch numbers. Can you guys come up with a midseason player of the year, coach of the year, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team all-conference? I'm talking mid-year awards and lets see how many of these guys finish strong.

Steve Berg is an interesting transfer.  I didn't know that a student could play at two different schools during the same academic year.  Is this a D3 rule? It's a little odd to me that an athlete who was the second leading scorer, playing 20 min. per game for a 7-1 team. In addition attended the school for 3 1/2 years will up and leave a scholarship school to go play for a d3 school. I've heard of some great player/coach relationships but wow. I know a coaches job is to win basketball games, but where do we draw the line.  In division II there is alot talk about doing away or making it harder for schools to take transfers with one year of eligibility (renting players).   If the purpose of D3 is supposed to be about building the all-around student, how could a college justify taking a one semester transfer? I would love to see if that kid graduates after this semester. If he doesn't what happens to him then?

[cnu85]

96,

good points. I've thought about a lot of your points. I guess we'll never really know until Berg himself speaks up. The way things usually work, he probably transferred for reasons we haven't mentioned. Maybe something personal? who knows?

[narch]

Methodist – talented.  They scare me.  I could be wrong....but could sense they were having some chemistry problems.      Real surprised to see Dragon sit the entire second half....Narch the team has potential, but the clock is REALLY ticking. 

i have NO INSIDE INFORMATION (in fact, getting inside information right now is difficult ) telling me that there are chemistry issues, but i have a suspicion that you are correct...and the clock has been ticking for some time...it's about to stop ticking altogether, honestly, if they don't get it together

Narch, I do like your numbers though....thanks for the work.

thanks...it's really not that much work or that difficult - i just use the usasac website and an excel spreadsheet...numbers DO have their limitations, though

[captj]

Interesting comments all around regarding Berg.  One that I don't necessarily agree with is that a coach's job is to win basketball games.  Sure, he better win, but his priority should be elsewhere.  If a coach brings in a hired gun with no intention of getting a degree at that college, that's tantamount to "winning at all costs" in my opinion.  That's why I asked for the GC fans on this site to keep us updated on Berg's progress toward a Greensboro College degree. 

Speaking of GC fans, where's Gullet?  He has a @gborocollege.edu e-mail address so he's probably pretty knowledgeable about the situation.  Since he went 2-4 on his weekend picks we haven't heard from him.  But you gotta give him props for his temerity.  After all, he picked both NCW and CNU to lose twice at home, AND for GC to win two on the road through Winchester and Newport News.  Talk about betting with your heart!  I need to get this guy to a poker table.

[leroy]

Steve Berg is an interesting transfer.  I didn't know that a student could play at two different schools during the same academic year.  Is this a D3 rule?

The NCAA makes you sit out when you transfer up (some say down) from D3 to D2 or D1 or from D2 to D1, or even make a lateral move at D1 (not sure about D2 lateral move?).  However, transfer down to D3 and you can play right away.  Now, some D3 conferences have rules where you cannot transfer mid-semester from one school to another within that conference.  Not sure if the USA South has that rule.  However, with Berg not being a in-conference transfer, the point is moot.  I don't think there is anything wrong with Berg playing 3.5 in Florida and transferring for his final semester.  I do have some issues with Freshman and Sophomore tranfers because it usually messes up their academic plan (if they have one?).  However, with a 4th year player who played successfully for 3.5 years, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him go wherever he wants for his final semester of play.

[captj]

I do have some issues with Freshman and Sophomore tranfers because it usually messes up their academic plan (if they have one?). 

What could mess up an academic plan more than transferring after 3.5 years?  The school giving out the diploma is only going to do so if the student has accumulated the majority of his/her credits at that school.  Maybe Berg didn't accumulate many credits at Eckerd and therefore wasn't close to graduation anyway.