MBB: USA South Conference

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

As many of you all know, since most will be here when basketball starts.  I set up a few posting rules for myself.  Again most of you know, I don't back down when people confront me.  To save my heart (history of heart problems in the family  ), I will use these rules when people confront me about the pride and in general:


1) If you talk bad about a coach or a player, usually I defend them.  If you talk bad I will smite you.  I have that power. (This won't happen all the time, but I will judge it)

2) When you do talk bad about a coach or a player,  I will follow with use your resourses and channel it elsewhere.

3) I will congratulate all teams on victory. I will congratulate players of the week, and debate who should have gotten.

4)  I will ask questions about things that have happened in box scores, be more of a statistical approach.

Greensboro isn't used to having avid posters on these boards.  They just aren't ready as the rest of the schools in the conference.  I will respect that and take it easy.

[narch]

Most of the student athletes here are undergrad non-transfers.  That goes for the same with the student body. 

let's see...football has 2 qb's that are scholarship program transfers, women's hoops has had at least 4 or 5 transfers over the last few years, men's hoops has had at least one impact transfer each year for the last 4 or 5 years including the one-semester wonder (who apparently isn't enrolled at gc now, from what i gather), and 4 juco transfers this year, baseball has a couple of scholarship program transfers, i'm sure there are more that i'm just not aware of...my perception is that gc has an inordinately high percentage of transfer students on their athletic rosters - i don't know if it's out of proportion with the rest of their student body, but it is certainly out of proportion with the rest of the teams in the conference

Some of the top schools in the country at d3 are using transfers.  Its a continuing trend.

really?  are you sure about that?

i think you'll find if you look at the rosters of the vast majority of teams that are consistent playoff and top 25 teams you'll find that they have built their programs primarily through the 4 year player, not the transfer student - there are certainly exceptions, and i'm not going to go off on a school that has a transfer every year or 2 (the monarchs have had some transfer students, including sam porter), but i don't know of many d3 programs that bring in 4 juco transfers the year after bringing in a one-semester d2 transfer, the year after bringing in a d1 transfer who had been at 3 schools in 3 years, two years after bringing in a 7 foot former acc player along with the kid from louisiana that was a juco transfer...that's a pretty clear trend of looking for the quick fix, if you ask me

CNU built teams off of transfers and look where it has brought them.  The envy of the league.

i was very critical of cnu when they were building their program primarily through the transfer market, as well, and i actually think they'll be better, long term, with the 4 year player as their primary target

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

No comment.  Next question.  You are asking the wrong person. (I said questions like that are to be directed off the board.) Personal Message me if you want to know.

[narch]

No comment.  Next question.  You are asking the wrong person. (I said questions like that are to be directed off the board.) Personal Message me if you want to know.

so i can't ask you if you're sure that the top d3 schools really use transfers to build their programs to a large degree?
(that's the only question i've asked in my previous post)

as for your rules...well, they're YOUR rules - i'll continue to ask questions that i think are appropriate and pertinent...you can choose to answer whatever questions you'd like, however

[Monarch96]

hello narch,
life is good here, hope the same for you. convincing four juco kids to attend a d3 school is one hell of a recruiting job for the coaches at greensboro. they clearly have found a way to get some "interesting" players to join the program through the years. I don't put CNU and Greensboro in the same category when it comes to transfers. It seems to me that most of the CNU transfers were kids who grew up in the tide water area and decided to come home for one reason or the other.  It is very difficult to convince a scholarship juco player to attend a non-scholarship school. Then again i can't remember the rules for d3. Are there any academic requirements for juco transfers. I know d2 and d1 have rules for them. 
I will go out on a limb and say those four juco transfers are either not very good or they had horrible grades.

[Rikki_Tikki_Tavi]

CNU had Midnight Madness last night. Me personally, I didnt make it! Too old and too much to do!! I cant believe Nov. 17 is only 27 days away!!

[CNU85]

Most of the student athletes here are undergrad non-transfers.  That goes for the same with the student body. 

let's see...football has 2 qb's that are scholarship program transfers, women's hoops has had at least 4 or 5 transfers over the last few years, men's hoops has had at least one impact transfer each year for the last 4 or 5 years including the one-semester wonder (who apparently isn't enrolled at gc now, from what i gather), and 4 juco transfers this year, baseball has a couple of scholarship program transfers, i'm sure there are more that i'm just not aware of...my perception is that gc has an inordinately high percentage of transfer students on their athletic rosters - i don't know if it's out of proportion with the rest of their student body, but it is certainly out of proportion with the rest of the teams in the conference

and they still suck!

[CNU85]

Rikki Tikki Tavi??

cracks me up!!!!

[CNU85]

CNU had Midnight Madness last night. Me personally, I didnt make it! Too old and too much to do!! I cant believe Nov. 17 is only 27 days away!!

I picked up my daughter from a party a little after 11 that night. I could've made it.......but when I turned the corner of my neighborhood and headed towards my driveway.....my eyes got heavy, my joints started hurting.....it was time for warm milk and bed!! 

[cnubbballer]

So my CNU brethren; any news on new recruits, who didn't comeback and what can we expect out of this this years team? 

[Rikki_Tikki_Tavi]

Didnt make it to midnight madness and I still havent seen a roster, so I couldnt even venture a guess as to what the coaching staff at CNU has brought in. If I remember correctly, the one time I made it to midnight madness, they handed out rosters for both the men and women, dont know if they still do that or not. Im looking forward to the season tho. After last year's exciting finish to the USA South championship game and the loss at Lincoln in the first round, I think the Capts have a great core back this year in Barton, Selden, Blasingame, Lewis and Riley. I would be the farm that's your starting five!!

[sac]

Riki Tiki Tavi.......simply a sweet name!

[swooshtheball]

I think we should respect where a player wants to play and not be so negative because they chose to come to a d3 school.  If they aren't happy where they are then they have the choice to choose where they want to attend school and play.  There isn't so much pressure on them and in my opinion they are treated more like student athletes with the coaches in d3 than in d1 or d2.  Personally I think there are d3 players that come in as freshmen that could have easily played d2 and in some instances d1.

[narch]

I think we should respect where a player wants to play and not be so negative because they chose to come to a d3 school.  If they aren't happy where they are then they have the choice to choose where they want to attend school and play.  There isn't so much pressure on them and in my opinion they are treated more like student athletes with the coaches in d3 than in d1 or d2.  Personally I think there are d3 players that come in as freshmen that could have easily played d2 and in some instances d1.

i don't know if you're referring to our conversation about the number of transfers on gc's roster or not, but if you are, i never said anything negative about the student-athlete...i think it's interesting and unusual that a coach would elect to build a team that way, but i never said anything bad about the players themselves - having said that, though, i know how difficult it is to get one or two juco players to attend a d3 school, let alone 4 in one year - i don't have a problem with a school recruiting a transfer or 2 (the monarchs have a juco transfer and a d1 walk-on transfer on their roster) - the problem i personally have is that recruiting droves of transfers just doesn't seem to fit the d3 philosophy

once you get into the cycle of recruiting a lot of transfer students, it's difficult to break that cycle - if i'm a high school player, why would i go to a school that recruits 3 or 4 transfers every year?  chances are i'm going to sit for a couple of years while those transfers play, so i won't develop as quickly as i could if i could otherwise and then, when i'm a junior and may be ready to contribute, the coach is probably going to go out and recruit a transfer or 4 who has game experience playing for a couple of years, forcing me to continue to sit - there aren't many programs, on any level, that win consistently with transfer students...please feel free to prove me wrong, though

[Monarch96]

swoosh the ball,
i will take it that your comment was directed at me. I never mentioned high shool players who attend d3 schools. I stated that it's very difficult to convince scholarship junior college players to attend d3 schools.  I will take it a step further by saying, recruiting players out of a league as good as the florida junior college league is very very difficult.  It's been my experience that most scholarship juco players attend those schools because of their grades and their pursuit of a scholarship at a four year college or university. Many of those players could find a d3 school to attend if they wanted to out of high school. 
i agree there are alot of players who attend d3 schools out of high school who could have gone to d1 and d2 schools. it is far less common for junior college players who have a choice to attend d3 schools rather than d1 or d2 schools.