MBB: USA South Conference

[narch]

Narch, as soon as the Monarchs lose you will be blaming the refs. What a dickhead.

here's what i'd like to understand from you pride1fan...why am i a (word removed)?  what did i do or say to you?

your parents must be really proud that their investment in your greensboro education has paid off so well

[notamensa]

an interesting statistic from the cnu/vwc game is that cnu was 5 of 8 (63%) from 3 point range. maybe i should revise my earlier theory that we should attempt more 3 point shots. the strategy used last night obviously worked. i guess thats why coaches coach and fans watch.

[narch]

old_lion - knowing you as i do, i'm going to have to bow out of this most interesting conversation and say we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue

but, being the statistician that i am, i have developed a formula to determine the outcome of the game had baldwin not been saddled with obviously uncalled for fouls

here is the formula:
[(points per minute + rebounds per minute) * fatigue coefficient] - (turnovers per minute * fatigue coefficient) = htwag (which measures player impact in a hypothetical, theoretical wild-a**-guess sort of way)

and here are the numbers to plug into this formula:
[(1.28 + .55)*3.145926] - (.39*3.145926) = 4.53

this number represents the addtional points that piedmont would have scored if jake baldwin had stayed in the game...of course, we all know that you can't score 4.53 points in a game, so i'll be generous and round up to 5

without the completely bs calls (to paraphrase old_lion, if i may), piedmont would have scored 5 additional points...and lost 70-69 instead of 70-64

you see, it's all so easy when you break things down scientifically

[notamensa]

i also think that york (ny) should definitely get some votes. how could they not have had even a single vote in the pre-season top-25 when they were voted pre-season #1 in their division (2 divisions in their conference)? they were a ncaa tournament team, after all.

they (york) were also 15-13 last year...getting pre-season top 25 votes after a season like that is tough and being #1 in your conference doesn't necessarily mean you're a top 25 team -

i didnt suggest that they were a top 25 team, but rather questioned why they had not received a single vote. you would think that those that voted them #1 in their division would have also given them a vote in the d3hoops.com poll. maybe they are not the same voters? i see that the new top 25 poll is not out. does that mean that the games on tuesday will be considered? it will be really interesting to see the rankings for cnu and york (ny) if that is the case.

[scottiedoug]

Narch!  When did I fall to number two? 

[averetthoops]

I'm new to the group but wanted everyone to know that Averett beat H-S last night in Farmville.  Good game with H-S ahead by 1 at the half.  Averett came back and held on to the lead as we finally got the 3's to fall in the second half. 

Monday night we have VWC at home so it will be a good gut check for the team.

[Rikki_Tikki_Tavi]

Holy schnikies!! Go Averett! Great win for the Cougars!! Im glad that losing four or five of their top players from last year so far hasn't slowed them down. Had the Capts won last night, that would have been a great night for the USA South. Either way, it still was a positive night for the conference as a whole.

[notamensa]

i see that ncwes has had a rough stqart. theres some consolation though that their three opponents have a combuned record of 8-0.

[narch]

i didnt suggest that they were a top 25 team, but rather questioned why they had not received a single vote. you would think that those that voted them #1 in their division would have also given them a vote in the d3hoops.com poll. maybe they are not the same voters? i see that the new top 25 poll is not out. does that mean that the games on tuesday will be considered? it will be really interesting to see the rankings for cnu and york (ny) if that is the case.

mensa - i understood your point completely, but a 15-13 team is going to be hard pressed to receive NATIONAL top 25 votes, even if the coaches in their conference voted them the best team in their conference

to give you a little perspective, here is an example:
kings is the last team in the d3hoops.com pre-season poll, getting 1 vote....they were regular season co-champs of a very tough conference last year, going 17-9 and return their top 6 scorers (and something like 67 of 75 ppg)...as recently as 2005 they were an elite 8 team...they got one 25th place vote from one voter in the pre-season top 25 poll - how could a voter justify putting a 15-13 york team over a 17-9 kings team in a pre-season poll? york may ultimately be better than kings, but i don't think anyone in their right mind would have put york ahead of kings in a pre-season poll

also, here is some information from the faq section of d3hoops.com which should help you understand the d3hoops.com top 25 voting process

i hope this helps you understand the process a little better

oh yeah...nice win for averett!

[old_lion]

old_lion - knowing you as i do, i'm going to have to bow out of this most interesting conversation and say we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue

but, being the statistician that i am, i have developed a formula to determine the outcome of the game had baldwin not been saddled with obviously uncalled for fouls

here is the formula:
[(points per minute + rebounds per minute) * fatigue coefficient] - (turnovers per minute * fatigue coefficient) = htwag (which measures player impact in a hypothetical, theoretical wild-a**-guess sort of way)

and here are the numbers to plug into this formula:
[(1.28 + .55)*3.145926] - (.39*3.145926) = 4.53

this number represents the addtional points that piedmont would have scored if jake baldwin had stayed in the game...of course, we all know that you can't score 4.53 points in a game, so i'll be generous and round up to 5

without the completely bs calls (to paraphrase old_lion, if i may), piedmont would have scored 5 additional points...and lost 70-69 instead of 70-64

you see, it's all so easy when you break things down scientifically

(1) Fatigue coefficient??? - now you're just pulling my leg ... and doing an exemplary job of it, BTW. I'll play along...
a) how do you arrive at a fatigue coefficient? 
b) steals and assists are not in your formula??? 
c) here's my equally scientific formula, developed over literally minutes of "off the top of my head" thought  ... If Baldwin plays just 5 more minutes (still stays fresh), Ferrum is denied one easy put back (-2) and Green gets two more assists, one for a three (+5) ... we win by one ... 69 -68.
To paraphrase the late, great Richard Pryor, as Mudbone, "Now there's a scientific formula for yo a$$!"

(2) obviously uncalled for fouls ... there you go, Mr Narch ... spaced repitition, baby! (Yeah, I realize you're being facetious, but I'll take it.) 

(3) Agree to disagree ... fair enough.

Go Big Cats!!!

[narch]

a) how do you arrive at a fatigue coefficient? 

look at the number closely

b) steals and assists are not in your formula???

sure - i'll put 'em in...baldwin had 0 assists in that game and one steal...let's give him an extra .33 added to his 4.53 htwag rating to make it 4.86, which is still rounded to 5 and makes no difference

Narch!  When did I fall to number two? 

you've actually ASCENDED to number two, although technically it's 1A

[narch]

as we approach thanksgiving, i think it's appropriate to thank all of the usasac student-athletes who participated in the "cans across the conference" event and congratulate cnu on a convincing "victory" - great job everyone

[notamensa]

also, here is some information from the faq section of d3hoops.com which should help you understand the d3hoops.com top 25 voting process

i hope this helps you understand the process a little better

ok, i get it. to receive a vote, one of the voters would have to think that they were one of the top 25 teams in the country. i can see how even a really good team could not get a single vote that way. thanks for the education.

[notamensa]

a) how do you arrive at a fatigue coefficient? 

look at the number closely

make mine pumpkin.

[old_lion]

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Yeah, I get it ... I was just waiting for your scientific linking of Pi to fatigue ... I thought it must have something to do with running around in circles? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi