MBB: USA South Conference

[SU97]

in the spirit of prognostication and the most famous groundhog in the world, im calling 3 home team wins in usasac action on saturday. not exactly a bold prediction, but i like it because it puts cnu in first place all alone.

Sorry mensa: SU couldn't hold up their end of the bargain, much less a 12 point halftime lead... 

Once again, instead of spending 20 minutes detailing the game, just go to one of my earlier game analysis posts, say the first CNU-SU OT matchup for example, and just take out "CNU" and insert "NCWC." 

[SU97]

I don't have any thoughts about the GC-AU game. 

Narch-I will have to take a look at the statistics and see where the rankings end up.  By the way I like the new logo.

AU has the worst fans.  I forgot to mention.  They show some of the worst class.

personally, i have to disagree - i thought the au fans at the mc/au game yesterday were very supportive of their team, and they brought a nice crowd that was pretty vocal - the mc crowd was decent, but they sat on their hands most of the game - i wish the monarchs could have a more significant home-field advantage - we're one of the largest schools in the usasac, but too few of the students go to and get loud at games...makes no sense to me

Of course I show some class and keep my mouth shut.

unfortunately, you don't keep your keyboard shut

Narch - their basketball fans used to be obnoxious and annoying. They would sit behind the visitors bench even tho that was against USA South policy and make a huge and annoying racket. I do however commend their spirit in cheering for their team. They have calmed a bit now but still make a heckuva lot of noise which is great considering how far that program has come since Jimmy Allen took over. As for their football fans, couldnt tell ya. They sit on on the other side of the field!

(Quote taken from USASouth football post)

So I lied I do have one thing to say about the game.  I was up there and did see them sit behind the visitors bench.  I am saying if its against USASAC policy I want to see where it says it is. If it is they are not doing a goo enough job of enforcing it.  I sat over that way.  I give au fans a little more credit.  Saying something like "if we lose at least we are having fun."


CNU fans I learned a story today where at a baseball game, some fans were calling our starting pitcher's mom a whore.  I don't care where you come from or what you say.  You don't ever call anybody's mama a whore.

At least you guys have something to complain about.  Shingleton Gym is about as loud as a 1 o'clock lecture on 19th century russian literature.

[hasanova]

Any chance that Wilmington had it first?

Mostly joking but I'm reminded that Beloit had its swashbuckling logo first before the Buccaneers used it.

True.  Good point. 

Many years ago Guilford had a "G" on their football helmets similar to one used by the University of Georgia and the Green Bay Packers.   One August, the Packers were using Guilford's football field for practice while in town to play an NFL preseason game against the Washington Redskins.  Guilford's president at that time was a very scholarly man, but not well versed in sports.  He dropped by the field, however, to watch a bit of the practice.  Story goes that he thought it was the Quakers and commented to the AD that, "Say, looks as though we're going to be pretty good this year!"  No kidding!  In fact, our QB is a Starr!  lol

[Rikki_Tikki_Tavi]

I don't have any thoughts about the GC-AU game. 

Narch-I will have to take a look at the statistics and see where the rankings end up.  By the way I like the new logo.

AU has the worst fans.  I forgot to mention.  They show some of the worst class.

personally, i have to disagree - i thought the au fans at the mc/au game yesterday were very supportive of their team, and they brought a nice crowd that was pretty vocal - the mc crowd was decent, but they sat on their hands most of the game - i wish the monarchs could have a more significant home-field advantage - we're one of the largest schools in the usasac, but too few of the students go to and get loud at games...makes no sense to me

Of course I show some class and keep my mouth shut.

unfortunately, you don't keep your keyboard shut

Narch - their basketball fans used to be obnoxious and annoying. They would sit behind the visitors bench even tho that was against USA South policy and make a huge and annoying racket. I do however commend their spirit in cheering for their team. They have calmed a bit now but still make a heckuva lot of noise which is great considering how far that program has come since Jimmy Allen took over. As for their football fans, couldnt tell ya. They sit on on the other side of the field!

(Quote taken from USASouth football post)

So I lied I do have one thing to say about the game.  I was up there and did see them sit behind the visitors bench.  I am saying if its against USASAC policy I want to see where it says it is. If it is they are not doing a goo enough job of enforcing it.  I sat over that way.  I give au fans a little more credit.  Saying something like "if we lose at least we are having fun."


CNU fans I learned a story today where at a baseball game, some fans were calling our starting pitcher's mom a whore.  I don't care where you come from or what you say.  You don't ever call anybody's mama a whore.

At least you guys have something to complain about.  Shingleton Gym is about as loud as a 1 o'clock lecture on 19th century russian literature.

LOL I made a trip to Shingleton once a couple years ago and I think then they had a bunch of students right near the entrance to the gym and I want to say it was Rob's something...and it was one of the loudest gyms i had been in since ole Ratcliffe!

[narch]

Any chance that Wilmington had it first?

Mostly joking but I'm reminded that Beloit had its swashbuckling logo first before the Buccaneers used it.

pat...are you sure about your buccaneers reference?  the tampa bay bucs old logo (which is commonly referred to as bucco bruce and which bears a striking resemblence to the current logo used on the beloit helmet and website) was designed by a tampa area artist in 1976, according to the helmet project (which i've found to be a pretty reliable resource) as well as chris creamers sportslogos.net - neither of these resources mention anything about beloit's logo, but i'd be willing to be that beloit "borrowed" the buccaneers mark and not the other way around

and there is no chance that wilmington used it's quaker before the pats...

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

These are the Week 11 Power Rankings.  CNU comes in at third even though they are in first in the conference.  They don't have they overall best winning %, plus some of CNU's losses common to AU (mostly GC) is probably the reason where they are.

Week 11 Power Rankings
Greensboro
Averett
CNU
NC Wesleyan
Methodist
Ferrum
Shenadoah

As you can see the bottom 4 are aligning what spot they hold in the conference.

[hasanova]

Shenandoah

[Pat Coleman]

Any chance that Wilmington had it first?

Mostly joking but I'm reminded that Beloit had its swashbuckling logo first before the Buccaneers used it.

pat...are you sure about your buccaneers reference?  the tampa bay bucs old logo (which is commonly referred to as bucco bruce and which bears a striking resemblence to the current logo used on the beloit helmet and website) was designed by a tampa area artist in 1976, according to the helmet project (which i've found to be a pretty reliable resource) as well as chris creamers sportslogos.net - neither of these resources mention anything about beloit's logo, but i'd be willing to be that beloit "borrowed" the buccaneers mark and not the other way around

and there is no chance that wilmington used it's quaker before the pats...

Positive. I interviewed for the SID job there many moons ago. Of course they don't mention Beloit's logo -- would you?

[narch]

Shenandoah

'nova - you obviously didn't read the news over the weekend

shenandoah (or su for those of us that can't remember how to spell it) left the usasac for the cac and, in swift action, the usasac leadership picked up another school, shenadoah college, in hopes that the similarity in spelling would confuse the ncaa and allow the usasac to keep it's aq status

and besides, spelling doesn't matter...on this board, you simply type a bunch of letters that are reasonably close and rely on the reader to figure it out

it is good to see the monarchs leap-frog over ferrum, but it's amazing to see that gc is still on top of this unbiased formula

[narch]

Positive. I interviewed for the SID job there many moons ago. Of course they don't mention Beloit's logo -- would you?

that's amazing...there is obviously someone who worked for the tampa tribune who stole beloit's logo in 1976, then passed it on to the tampa bay buccaneers as an original logo - i didn't realize you were old enough to have interviewed for an sid position in 1976...i had you pegged for someone who was in his late 30's, early 40's at worst...i stand corrected

and yes, if i were running a logo/helmet website, i would have beloit's logo and as much information as possible about it, particularly if there were a story as interesting as the fact that it was stolen and used by the tampa bay buccaneers as a back-story...but then, i am the type who is always looking out for the d3's

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

GC has 15 Wins, AU 14 and CNU 13.  I must be biased towards AU too.  CNU has the best record in the conference and they are listed 3rd.

[hasanova]

Shenandoah

'nova - you obviously didn't read the news over the weekend

shenandoah (or su for those of us that can't remember how to spell it) left the usasac for the cac and, in swift action, the usasac leadership picked up another school, shenadoah college, in hopes that the similarity in spelling would confuse the ncaa and allow the usasac to keep it's aq status

and besides, spelling doesn't matter...on this board, you simply type a bunch of letters that are reasonably close and rely on the reader to figure it out

Now it makes perfect sense!  I hadn't heard about the USASAC changes.  lol  I guess it's hard for me to adapt to the new rule "spelling doesn't matter...on this board, you simply type a bunch of letters that are reasonably close and rely on the reader to figure it out."  In my classroom experience we were taught, "never make the same mistake twice."  Of course, my "keyboard" was called a "pen." 

[narch]

GC has 15 Wins, AU 14 and CNU 13.  I must be biased towards AU too.  CNU has the best record in the conference and they are listed 3rd.

i never said you were biased...in fact, i called your formula unbiased, as you have stated many times previously...read the post

i ran the 3 teams at the top of the conference through a sosi type formula (in fact, it is the sosi formula, except i applied it to ALL d3 teams, not just regional competition) - here is how this formula ranked these teams

averett: 9.32, 13-6 vs. d3 competition, 7-4 vs. teams above .500, 1-0 vs. teams under .333
gc: 9.17, 13-5 vs. d3 competition, 4-4 vs. teams above .500, 4-0 vs. teams under .333
cnu: 8.11, 11-7 vs. d3 competition, 3-4 vs. teams above .500, 1-1 vs. teams under .333

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

GC has 15 Wins, AU 14 and CNU 13.  I must be biased towards AU too.  CNU has the best record in the conference and they are listed 3rd.

i never said you were biased...in fact, i called your formula unbiased, as you have stated many times previously...read the post

i ran the 3 teams at the top of the conference through a sosi type formula (in fact, it is the sosi formula, except i applied it to ALL d3 teams, not just regional competition) - here is how this formula ranked these teams

averett: 9.32, 13-6 vs. d3 competition, 7-4 vs. teams above .500, 1-0 vs. teams under .333
gc: 9.17, 13-5 vs. d3 competition, 4-4 vs. teams above .500, 4-0 vs. teams under .333
cnu: 8.11, 11-7 vs. d3 competition, 3-4 vs. teams above .500, 1-1 vs. teams under .333

Well I never know if you are being sarcastic or not.  So CNU should be 3rd then.  You see though then GC is ahead of AU because GC has outscored them in the two meetings.  AU lost to SU in conference (the last place team)  GC 2 of 3 losses come from top teams in conference.  Same with AU.  This is one strange conference.  CNU's 2 conference losses from from teams to middle to below-average teams.

[narch]

here is sosi for the rest of the conference, for those who care:

mu: 8.33, 8-10 vs. d3's, 3-9 vs. above .500 teams, 0-0 vs. under .333 teams
ncwc: 7.53, 7-8 vs. d3's, 2-7 vs. above .500 teams, 1-0 vs. under .333 teams
fc: 7.00, 8-9 vs. d3's, 2-5 vs. above .500 teams, 4-0 vs. under .333 teams
su: 6.47, 5-10 vs. d3's, 3-5 vs. above .500 team, 0-0 vs. under .333 teams

mu has a higher sosi than cnu...based largely on a lot of losses to really good teams (the monarchs have played 8 games against teams with .667 or higher winning %...they're 0-8 in those contests) - right now, i'm hesitant to say the monarchs are better than cnu, though, despite the head-to-head results and sosi calculations

my rankings would be to follow sosi for the top 3, then follow it again for the bottom 4

ultimately, though, i'm just going to look at the final standings to determine who is best...it's the most sure-fire way of doing things this year