MBB: USA South Conference

[SU97]

without looking at the final stats, i think it will be –

1st team
hall, poty (ncw) 1st team last year
lewis (cnu) honorable mention last year
fawehinmi (su) honorable mention last year
lawrence (su) 1st team last year
bright (gc)

I'm a HUGE hornets fan, but how does the last place team, with a 1-11 conference record, score two guys on the first team?  How does first place AU not even have a guy with a first team nod?

JLawrence is the POTY in my mind (slightly biased) because he still turned out production without any help around him and every team keying on him.  BUT, there's no way the POTY should come from the last place team. I have to think it should be somebody from GC or AU.  I can't get into the stats page yet either...

COTY should go to the coach from AU, finally got over the CNU curse this year... congrats.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

So I went to a UNCG game (well the tickets were free) I sat there and said "what a waste of talent"  I saw 6 guys that didn't even take of thier warm-ups. For me its sad to see, they come their on scholarships and they will never see any action on the court.  (Narch I know you will disagree, but I wish every school d3 school took in transfers.  It was beyond me to to why anyone would waste time sitting on a bench.)  For me at least I don't care if I got a free ride to if I was player, I would want to play.)

Ok I cooked up another theroy.   Its about why the midwest/great lakes/west are so good at the d3 level.   9 times out of the last 20 years the d-1 National champs came out of the south/ACC (Maryland is thrown in there) at the d3 level once out of the last 20 years a team from the south won it.  Now here is my theory because the south has been so consistent at the the d1 level nobody wants to come play at the d3 level.  This is where my previous story comes in to play teams in the south have to continue to bring in greater and greater talent that way they can compete in the south.  Its not a problem in the west because they aren't winning it at the d1 level.  Taleted players that could go d1 stay and go d3 because they aren't competing for a national championship every year at the d1 level.

nota-
you can stay.

Sorry, I'm not following the logic.  You referenced the midwest - so let's take a look at the state of Wisconsin as an example.  You have two D-1 schools in the state (Madison and Milwaulkee - not sure if there is another) and the rest are all D-III.  You have ZERO D-II schools to muddle the middle.  Then you have the WIAC schools, which are for the most part state-supported UW system schools who's enrollments are in the 8,000-5,000 range. So basically the entire WIAC is made up of what would be either D-II schools in the mid-atlantic or D-III CNU type schools - think a "super conference" made up of Salisbury, MaryWash, CNU, Rowan, etc...  Now look at the great commonwealth of VA, we have like 10 D-I colleges and universities in our state alone, not just two.  So in a way you could argue that the talent is spread out much more because of it.  Or, you could argue that it would be equitable between VA and Wisconsin schools  if the CAA went D-III - so JMU, VCU, ODU, Bill&Mary,and GMU all would drop down (while the VA ACC schools stayed D-I)... I know that's stupid, but it in a way it would be apples to apples. 

Where I am going with this is that PSBBG is looking at this landscape from the wrong angle and his assumption of  [i]"Now here is my theory because the south has been so consistent at the the d1 level nobody wants to come play at the d3 level.  This is where my previous story comes in to play teams in the south have to continue to bring in greater and greater talent that way they can compete in the south.  Its not a problem in the west because they aren't winning it at the d1 level.  Taleted players that could go d1 stay and go d3 because they aren't competing for a national championship every year at the d1 level."[/i] just doesn't make much sense.  To me it's about what type of competion you have for recruiting in-state and what type of advantages that state-supported schools have built-in. 

I am rambling.

I was rambling as well.  I think you are looking at it in a small scale.  Just because there is just two d-1 schools in the state of wisconsin. There are many more mid-major schools in that region too. That doesn't mean that talent has to stay in that state at all. I think we both just rambled and just look at it from a different perspective.  I wonder what the college per population is in every state.  Just a guess it is probably about the same per state.   

[SU97]

So I went to a UNCG game (well the tickets were free) I sat there and said "what a waste of talent"  I saw 6 guys that didn't even take of thier warm-ups. For me its sad to see, they come their on scholarships and they will never see any action on the court.  (Narch I know you will disagree, but I wish every school d3 school took in transfers.  It was beyond me to to why anyone would waste time sitting on a bench.)  For me at least I don't care if I got a free ride to if I was player, I would want to play.)

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this.  I've seen a few transfers at the USASAC schools over the years and have no problem with that.  In the quote above you indicate that you hate to see D-I kids sitting the bench on scholarship.  But then I take it that you are equating those kids to the current influx of transfers at GC.  But on the roster posted on the web the transfers for GC are all JUCOs, which is different from your post copied above. 

Am I reading to far into this?

I think a lot of fans in the conference were surprised last year with GC's conference surge - when the new coaches brought in the D-I kid last year that could shoot the lights out.  (I must say the kid was fun to watch, shooting from all over the court) Now I think some people are kind of skeptical that GC has 4 JUCOs (starters) and make a run for the conference.  I am just kind of skeptical as to what is going on. 

PSBBG: I am curious, do you know if this is a short term effort by the coaching staff to get GC to compete, or is this something the rest of the league needs to just get used to from Greensboro?

[SU97]

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I was rambling as well.  I think you are looking at it in a small scale.  Just because there is just two d-1 schools in the state of wisconsin. There are many more mid-major schools in that region too. That doesn't mean that talent has to stay in that state at all. I think we both just rambled and just look at it from a different perspective.  I wonder what the college per population is in every state.  Just a guess it is probably about the same per state.   

True, I was making the assumption that most of our conference schools have a majority of in-state kids.

[SU97]

disgusting. the captains will play 1 more game this year, bet the house on it. especially if korey lewis is done for the year. bright is one of the best players ive seen this year in the freeman. cnu couldnt stop him, but then, they havent stopped many players this year. does gc have a couple of their football players on their basketball team? there were a couple of guys on the bench that looked like offensive tackles. i bet that for every cnu dunk we saw this year we saw 5 by opposing teams. i saw lewis make a couple this year, barton make 1, but thats it. like i said earlier this year, i saw a lot more when i was in high school.

i am appalled with the captains and the season that they had this year. how does a team with 4 returning all-conf players put together a season like this one? the 1 player that i am most relieved to be returning next year is not one of those 4 "superstars", but the guy that was 1st off the bench this year, theo baker. he showed a lot more guts and heart than did his teammates. i dont know what the heck happened to our hotshot all-world point guard this year.

has anyone figured out the bracket yet? who will be the last team to beat the captains in the freeman this year? what a dubious distinction that will be! im sure that all you guys that hate cnu are really happy right now, and you should be.

O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?   

[notamensa]

how does the last place team, with a 1-11 conference record, score two guys on the first team?  How does first place AU not even have a guy with a first team nod?

su is a 2-man team, its as simple as that. you cant overlook that these 2 guys scored a LOT of points (even if no one else on the team did). conversely, au was a great TEAM, and sent out guys in waves, all of them scoring about the same. they had 14 guys that started at least 1 game. they had 10 that averaged double figure minutes for the season.

[narch]

I was rambling as well.  I think you are looking at it in a small scale.  Just because there is just two d-1 schools in the state of wisconsin. There are many more mid-major schools in that region too. 

i'm not sure that's true...think about schools like uncw, uncc, app state, elon, western carolina, gardner-webb, campbell, ecu, high point...those schools would all qualify as d1 "mid-majors", and that's just the state of nc (there may be some that i missed, as well) - then throw in the glut of high caliber d2 ball being played in nc...the cvac had 4 teams ranked in the top 25 at one point earlier this season (barton, pfieffer, mount olive and queens) and then you have the pbac and ciaa teams to compete with - on top of the actual competition is the perception issue...ask the gc coaches how many times they've heard "if i'm not getting a scholarship to play, i'll just go to [insert state school]" - this happens on a regular basis...there is clearly a thinning of the d3 talent in the southeast, especially in a sport like basketball and especially for a private institution

[notamensa]

disgusting. the captains will play 1 more game this year, bet the house on it. especially if korey lewis is done for the year. bright is one of the best players ive seen this year in the freeman. cnu couldnt stop him, but then, they havent stopped many players this year. does gc have a couple of their football players on their basketball team? there were a couple of guys on the bench that looked like offensive tackles. i bet that for every cnu dunk we saw this year we saw 5 by opposing teams. i saw lewis make a couple this year, barton make 1, but thats it. like i said earlier this year, i saw a lot more when i was in high school.

i am appalled with the captains and the season that they had this year. how does a team with 4 returning all-conf players put together a season like this one? the 1 player that i am most relieved to be returning next year is not one of those 4 "superstars", but the guy that was 1st off the bench this year, theo baker. he showed a lot more guts and heart than did his teammates. i dont know what the heck happened to our hotshot all-world point guard this year.

has anyone figured out the bracket yet? who will be the last team to beat the captains in the freeman this year? what a dubious distinction that will be! im sure that all you guys that hate cnu are really happy right now, and you should be.

O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?   

losing romeo shouldnt have been reason for the captains to collapse this year. while he's no romeo, baker proved to be a very capable replacement for him, and in my opinion, he will be better by the time hes a senior. the collapse came about because they lost their will to win. anyone that watched them allow team after team to outhustle them understands that.

[SU97]

I was rambling as well.  I think you are looking at it in a small scale.  Just because there is just two d-1 schools in the state of wisconsin. There are many more mid-major schools in that region too. 

i'm not sure that's true...think about schools like uncw, uncc, app state, elon, western carolina, gardner-webb, campbell, ecu, high point...those schools would all qualify as d1 "mid-majors", and that's just the state of nc (there may be some that i missed, as well) - then throw in the glut of high caliber d2 ball being played in nc...the cvac had 4 teams ranked in the top 25 at one point earlier this season (barton, pfieffer, mount olive and queens) and then you have the pbac and ciaa teams to compete with - on top of the actual competition is the perception issue...ask the gc coaches how many times they've heard "if i'm not getting a scholarship to play, i'll just go to [insert state school]" - this happens on a regular basis...there is clearly a thinning of the d3 talent in the southeast, especially in a sport like basketball and especially for a private institution

BINGO

[narch]

I think a lot of fans in the conference were surprised last year with GC's conference surge - when the new coaches brought in the D-I kid last year that could shoot the lights out.  (I must say the kid was fun to watch, shooting from all over the court) Now I think some people are kind of skeptical that GC has 4 JUCOs (starters) and make a run for the conference.  I am just kind of skeptical as to what is going on. 

he was a d2 kid, but what shocked me was the fact that he had just 1 semster of eligibility left...who transfers after 3 1/2 years?  i've never seen or heard of that happening on the d1, d2 or d3 level before last year

and i'll add this...an acc scholarship transfer, a uncg transfer who was on his 3rd school (blackstock), the big kid from nola was a transfer (montrell, i believe)...4 juco's this year...the list goes on

look at the gc baseball roster...15 transfers

look at the gc women's basketball roster, the football roster...i think gc has more transfers on their baseball and hoops rosters combined than all of mu's 19 rosters have

PSBBG: I am curious, do you know if this is a short term effort by the coaching staff to get GC to compete, or is this something the rest of the league needs to just get used to from Greensboro?

judging on past performance (see above), i'd say this is something we should get used to - i'd also like to ask this question - why would a high school prospect even consider gc given their history of recruiting over them with transfers? - why choose a school that doesn't have the patience to wait for you to develop into a good player and has shown the willingness and propensity to go for the quick fix?

[notamensa]

i'd also like to ask this question - why would a high school prospect even consider gc given their history of recruiting over them with transfers? - why choose a school that doesn't have the patience to wait for you to develop into a good player and has shown the willingness and propensity to go for the quick fix?

great point! it cant be a good long term strategy. but, it just might get the coach a job at a higher level.

[SU97]

i'd also like to ask this question - why would a high school prospect even consider gc given their history of recruiting over them with transfers? - why choose a school that doesn't have the patience to wait for you to develop into a good player and has shown the willingness and propensity to go for the quick fix?

great point! it cant be a good long term strategy. but, it just might get the coach a job at a higher level.

I HATE CNU.   

Sorry, sorry, sorry, I was just too stunned that I agreed with a Newport supporter that I blacked out and my natural typing muscle memory must have kicked in.

[Showstoppa]

I will be honest its tough for me to actually choose a team.  I think about 10 people could make first team.

1st Team
Lenny Hall (poty) NCWC
Davon Barton CNU
Adam Nicholson GC
Lynn Bright GC
Jermiah Lawerence SU

2nd Team
Donte Seldon CNU
Trey Drake NCWC (ROTY)
John Godsey FC
Mouktar Fawehinmi SU
Cedric Jones FC

Hon Mention
Lenzie Adams SU
Cory McDaniel AU
Theo Baker CNU
Dragon Radmonvich MU
Damien Brown AU

Coach of the Year Brian Galuski GC

If AU doesn't get a player on the first or second team and Greensboro places two first teamers, doesn't Jimmy Allen at Averett deserve Coach of the Year honors?

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Narch and SU-

I told you before and will tell you again.  I can't anwser the whole question about transfers of GC. I am not a coach. I said it on the baseball side how many of them are actually playing? or on the JV team? For the rest of the teams,  How many of them are coming from a CC where they can only play two years?  How many actually played the sport at the thier last school?  How many Freshman are coming back the following year? I am quite aware that many freshman don't return to this school not only athletes but the general student body.  This school relies on transfers.  Since this school has so few people the sports teams comprise a greater proportion of the school.  I know about 20 people from the general student body that applied to this school as a third choice because they didn't get in where they wanted too.  GC is not cheap and know many transfer to schools in the surrounding area.  Since we have such a huge student-athlete body and there are no athletic scholarships, sometimes  freshman can't afford to stay here 4 years.  To say freshman don't get an ample chance of playing here is very naive.  They are given plenty of chances.  

Year after year though GC has the most students on the academic all-conference teams.

So spending a few years in CC to get grades up I think is smart.  No need to spend $23,000 on one year of school only to flunk out that same year.  Greensboro is right around many CC has well.  

I ask you to stop asking me why the school has so many transfers.

GC keeping doing what you are doing.

[roundbll]

So if you're so done, maybe you'll do us a favor and log off after reading this for your last time...

i will make a deal with you. if more posters on this board want me to go away than do you, i will. but if they want your repulsive and obsessed postings to end, you do the same. agreed? i, for one, know where to go for song lyrics that have escaped me. i know what this forum is for and use it for its purpose. im sure you can find a website elsewhere to exercise your dementia.

so, how about it, usasac BASKETBALL posters? who do you want to go away, roundbll or notamensa?

how about PrideSportsBBGuy goes away and we call it a tie.  Seriously, you two bickering (while stupid) makes me laugh, but PSBBGY's ramblings filled with complete non-sense (and that god-awful stupid formula) makes me want to beat myself with my keyboard.

You hit it on the head Leroy.  I just do it to stir the pot and get a chuckle...
The ractions are exactly as I expect, and always good for a laugh.