MBB: USA South Conference

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

although it would be nice to see AU take to VWC, I don't think it'll happen. VWC will be at home, they will be mad about the ODAC tourney and they want revenge for the loss earlier in the year. They will come out fired up and I predict a blowout......

I hope I'm wrong...but that's how I see it.

It would be nice, but it will really screw up my bracket on d3hoops if they won.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Ok so I have talked that the USASouth Tournament should be held at neutral site. I believe neutal site should be in about an average a 94.3 Mile radius of all the schools. Here is why.

I used the Reilly's Law of Retail Gravitation which means roughly means comparing two cities using the cities population and and distance in miles to determine the one distance (Break point) in which that city would be willing to travel in order to shop. In this case I applied it to the break point in which the population would be willing to travel to see a conference tournament game.

Example: The city of Ferrum has a population of 1514 and Newport News has a population of 181000.  Based on the formula Ferrum residents would be willing to travel 24 miles after that they tend to stay in their area.  If it were reverse and Newport News was traveling to Ferrum; Newport News residents would be willing to travel 269 miles.  (Again this is based on the population of the city because there are more residents they are willing to travel further.)

So how did I get the 94.3 miles. I took oneschool and applied the formula and then took the avg break point for each school within that school. Then took the average of every school and got my number.

If it can't be at a neutral site than it must be at Averett, because the average distance off all the schools to Averett is 141.3 miles the closest to that radius.

Oh, here is the formula:
Dab=(d)/(1+(SQRT(Pb/Pa)

Dab is the breaking point from city A measured in miles along the road to city b

d is the distance in miles (highway) from a to b

SQRT=Square Root

Pa and Pb is population of city A and B respectively

[SU97]

Ok so I have talked that the USASouth Tournament should be held at neutral site. I believe neutal site should be in about an average a 94.3 Mile radius of all the schools. Here is why.

I used the Reilly's Law of Retail Gravitation which means roughly means comparing two cities using the cities population and and distance in miles to determine the one distance (Break point) in which that city would be willing to travel in order to shop. In this case I applied it to the break point in which the population would be willing to travel to see a conference tournament game.

Example: The city of Ferr um has a population of 1514 and Newport News has a population of 181000.  Based on the formula Ferrum residents would be willing to travel 24 miles after that they tend to stay in their area.  If it were reverse and Newport News was traveling to Ferrum; Newport News residents would be willing to travel 269 miles.  (Again this is based on the population of the city because there are more residents they are willing to travel further.)

So how did I get the 94.3 miles. I took oneschool and applied the formula and then took the avg break point for each school within that school. Then took the average of every school and got my number.

If it can't be at a neutral site than it must be at Averett, because the average distance off all the schools to Averett is 141.3 miles the closest to that radius.

Oh, here is the formula:
Dab=(d)/(1+(SQRT(Pb/Pa)

Dab is the breaking point from city A measured in miles along the road to city b

d is the distance in miles (highway) from a to b

SQRT=Square Root

Pa and Pb is population of city A and B respectively

If you triangulate the coefficient of travel vs. all conference teams and multiply that by the rate it takes to travel from Winchester VA to Fayetteville NC on the Eisinhower National Interstate System, then subtract the gross distance to Ferrum (Go to the end of the world, then make a left) to all destinations except Rocky Mount NC.  Divide that number by the total number of population on the Peninsula (not including the southside - because that's VWC country) and then, using a ruler, draw a straight line dividing the whole of the two states, you will find that the neutral tournament site needs to be held in...

Emporia, Va. 

or...  PSBBG can pony up $15,000 to rent out Scope in Norfolk for three days to host the tournament.

I'm just messing with you PSBBG.  In all fairness, there is no way the conference is going to spend the $ for a nuetral site (civic center type facility) for one sport. Financially it doesn't make any sense, plus what about all the other fall sports that have conference tournaments? 

Rotate it around so everyone can host and call it a day.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Ok so I have talked that the USASouth Tournament should be held at neutral site. I believe neutal site should be in about an average a 94.3 Mile radius of all the schools. Here is why.

I used the Reilly's Law of Retail Gravitation which means roughly means comparing two cities using the cities population and and distance in miles to determine the one distance (Break point) in which that city would be willing to travel in order to shop. In this case I applied it to the break point in which the population would be willing to travel to see a conference tournament game.

Example: The city of Ferr um has a population of 1514 and Newport News has a population of 181000.  Based on the formula Ferrum residents would be willing to travel 24 miles after that they tend to stay in their area.  If it were reverse and Newport News was traveling to Ferrum; Newport News residents would be willing to travel 269 miles.  (Again this is based on the population of the city because there are more residents they are willing to travel further.)

So how did I get the 94.3 miles. I took oneschool and applied the formula and then took the avg break point for each school within that school. Then took the average of every school and got my number.

If it can't be at a neutral site than it must be at Averett, because the average distance off all the schools to Averett is 141.3 miles the closest to that radius.

Oh, here is the formula:
Dab=(d)/(1+(SQRT(Pb/Pa)

Dab is the breaking point from city A measured in miles along the road to city b

d is the distance in miles (highway) from a to b

SQRT=Square Root

Pa and Pb is population of city A and B respectively

If you triangulate the coefficient of travel vs. all conference teams and multiply that by the rate it takes to travel from Winchester VA to Fayetteville NC on the Eisinhower National Interstate System, then subtract the gross distance to Ferrum (Go to the end of the world, then make a left) to all destinations except Rocky Mount NC.  Divide that number by the total number of population on the Peninsula (not including the southside - because that's VWC country) and then, using a ruler, draw a straight line dividing the whole of the two states, you will find that the neutral tournament site needs to be held in...

Emporia, Va. 

or...  PSBBG can pony up $15,000 to rent out Scope in Norfolk for three days to host the tournament.

I'm just messing with you PSBBG.  In all fairness, there is no way the conference is going to spend the $ for a nuetral site (civic center type facility) for one sport. Financially it doesn't make any sense, plus what about all the other fall sports that have conference tournaments? 

Rotate it around so everyone can host and call it a day.

I don't think Ferrum is in a great location to host though.  As much as I want it to be at a neutral site I understand the cost.  The point I brought up is the average travel distance to CNU is the second highest behind SU.  I think having every team travel so far the USASouth should reimburse the schools. I think AU should be the host it is the cheapest for all the teams to travel.

[CNU85]

who needs Howard Cosell with you guys around? i'm going to go triangulate the coefficient of the minimus numerical ambulatory steps out to the refrigerater in my garage which holds cold brew!

[narch]

If you triangulate the coefficient of travel vs. all conference teams and multiply that by the rate it takes to travel from Winchester VA to Fayetteville NC on the Eisinhower National Interstate System, then subtract the gross distance to Ferrum (Go to the end of the world, then make a left) to all destinations except Rocky Mount NC.  Divide that number by the total number of population on the Peninsula (not including the southside - because that's VWC country) and then, using a ruler, draw a straight line dividing the whole of the two states, you will find that the neutral tournament site needs to be held in...

Emporia, Va. 

this is one of the funniest things i've EVER read on this board (or any other, for that matter)...i especially like the bolded line...brilliant!

and by the way...no amount of usasac subsidy is going to convince me to go anywhere near emporia, va

[rebeltiger]

Funny reading about the neutral site thing....you should be a politician!

Seriously though, if it can be done, playing at a neutral site is a big positive.  The ODAC plays the tourney at the Salem Civic Center and it gives all the teams a bit of extra excitement...a chance to play in a bigger venue not on someone's campus....adds a bit to the overall experience.

That being said, I don't know what would be a good central venue for the USAC (other than Emporia  ) with a usable facility.  Maybe something like the Vines Center in Lynchburg or the Ashe or Siegel Center in Richmond? 

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

I don't know if any of you are making fun of what I said.  It wasn't really used to set a location for the schools, but more or less the students fans and faculty.  I watched Greensboro play up at CNU.  I couldn't believe how empty the area was NOBODY CAN TRAVEL 4hrs for games everyday.  If the USASouth wants to put the tournament ever in a neutral site,  they need to put the tournament where fans/students would be willing to travel, where they will actually make money off the games.  Build enough capital and put it elsewhere.  USASouth look at this post, make some money be the business that you are. HAVING IT AT CNU WILL NOT MAKE YOU MONEY. JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE BEST FACILITY DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY SHOW UP. (I think having closer for everyone else will allow Sports Boosters at all schools to show up at more games and will be willing to donate more if they can see the tournament every year.)

I don't know if there is any business people on this board but having every team travel over 200 miles costs the schools money.  Every coach should stand up and say no.  People complain USASouth doesn't schedule good teams as it is, well if you have to budget for the Conference tournament no wonder. The cost savings over the long run will allow for longer further trips.  Most schools in this conference I know don't have huge budgets as it is. 

[narch]

Most schools in this conference I know don't have huge budgets as it is. 

do you really think the conference has much of a budget? 

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Most schools in this conference I know don't have huge budgets as it is. 

do you really think the conference has much of a budget? 

No not at all.  But if they are going to make any money they need to put it at AU more people can show up.  Its a closer location for all the schools (Well 5 out 7 vs 1 out of 7.  They can start making some money then.

From what I understand.  They paid for the video streaming.  Where most other places would charge to watch online.

[narch]

But if they are going to make any money they need to put it at AU more people can show up.  Its a closer location for all the schools (Well 5 out 7 vs 1 out of 7.  They can start making some money then.

sorry...i thought you were still advocating a neutral site, which i don't think will happen any time soon because it's simply not cost effective - i agree that au is the most central school with a worthwhile facility, but given the attendance figures, i'm not sure the tournament is EVER going to be a money maker for the conference...let's go back to the rotation

From what I understand.  They paid for the video streaming.  Where most other places would charge to watch online.

and based on what i saw, it's a good thing they didn't charge...if i had plopped down even a dollar for what i got (which is basically nothing), i'd be demanding a refund right now...i know pat c said he had issues with the stream...did anyone else even try it?

[Rikki_Tikki_Tavi]

I would much rather go to Averett or Methodist to watch the tourny then Greensboro. I hope you wouldnt advocate that place to host it every year.

[narch]

d3hoops.com has an rpi calculation, and i compiled the usasac teams from this list...not sure i agree with the rankings, but i like the premise of using opponent winning % and opponents-opponents winning %

RANK	REG RANK	TEAM	REGION W%	OPP W%	O-OW%	RPI
51	6	AU	0.818 (18-4)	0.491	0.5	0.575
123	14	GC	0.739 (17-6)	0.434	0.512	0.53
182	22	MU	0.421 (8-11)	0.552	0.488	0.503
219	25	NCWC	0.350 (7-13)	0.556	0.488	0.488
224	27	CNU	0.500 (10-10)	0.468	0.512	0.487
243	30	FC	0.474 (9-10)	0.464	0.505	0.477
292	38	SU	0.250 (5-15)	0.533	0.496	0.453

rank is the overall national rank, reg rank is within the south region

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

I would much rather go to Averett or Methodist to watch the tourny then Greensboro. I hope you wouldnt advocate that place to host it every year.

I see the benefits of rotating. As some would say you would be spreading the cost. Yet I see AU hosting the site because on average it would be the cheapest for all the schools in terms of travel.  There is plenty of centralized parking as well.  Considering the facilities of the more centralized AU they are decent.

According to Mapquest this is the average travel distance to given school from the other schools.

AU 141.33 mi
GC 142.33 mi
NCWC 165.833 mi
FC 170.5 mi
MU 181.5 mi
CNU 227.5 mi
SU 260 mi

Which is why given the location of AU. I think its a good fit for the conference tournament.

I thought having the video stream was a good idea.  Except it didn't help the attendance figures.  AU is the most centralized location it will get people to the games.  I think even you Narch would be willing to travel the 143 mi to AU for a game.  I think the student bodies would too.

d3hoops.com has an rpi calculation, and i compiled the usasac teams from this list...not sure i agree with the rankings, but i like the premise of using opponent winning % and opponents-opponents winning %

RANK	REG RANK	TEAM	REGION W%	OPP W%	O-OW%	RPI
51	6	AU	0.818 (18-4)	0.491	0.5	0.575
123	14	GC	0.739 (17-6)	0.434	0.512	0.53
182	22	MU	0.421 (8-11)	0.552	0.488	0.503
219	25	NCWC	0.350 (7-13)	0.556	0.488	0.488
224	27	CNU	0.500 (10-10)	0.468	0.512	0.487
243	30	FC	0.474 (9-10)	0.464	0.505	0.477
292	38	SU	0.250 (5-15)	0.533	0.496	0.453

rank is the overall national rank, reg rank is within the south region

I don't agree with the rankings either.  I think there is something missing from them still. Any idea on how it can be improved?

[CNU85]

I would much rather go to Averett or Methodist to watch the tourny then Greensboro. I hope you wouldnt advocate that place to host it every year.

than


I beat you Narch!!