MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

I'm sure this isn't the right place to ask this, but what the heck.  Can anyone tell me who gets the gate receipts for DIII games?  Does the home team get it all?  Does the visitor get a percentage?  Does the visiting team get travel expenses?  Is nothing set in stone and it's worked out between the two schools beforehand on a case by case basis?  Are the answers to these questions the same for regular season games and during the NCAA tournament?  Anybody know?  Just curious.

Regular season:
Home team keeps the receipts, unless a special arrangement has been made in the contract to make a guarantee to the visitor. This is common in in-season tournaments. Mostly regular-season contracts are home and home with no special financial arrangements.

In general, there is no NCAA rule governing anything like this. It's not their purview. Similar to the way the NCAA doesn't dictate how media timeouts or officiating or anything else is done in the regular season.

NCAA Tournament:
NCAA gets all the money, reimburses visiting school for traveling expenses for the official traveling party (permitted maximum number of players, coaches and administrator). Host school reimbursed for some expenses, though I am not sure which ones/how much/etc.

[smedindy]

That's just the admission fees, right - not concessions (or condiments!) or anything extra like parking.

[Pat Coleman]

I don't know about parking but I believe concessions goes to Indy also, minus expenses.

[iwumichigander]

I don't know about parking but I believe concessions goes to Indy also, minus expenses.

I believe you are correct Pat on concessions also. I can't respond regarding Hope on paid parking. IWU (women's site last two seasons) has no area where paid parking an issue becuase none exists.  I think NCAA did work with IWU on designated areas for parking for NCAA personnel, officials, media, teams and team buses. 
For Final Four, the host site basically agrees with the NCAA that it has the right to take over the management and control of the entire facility (I believe it was one week prior) including agreed upon parking areas around the facility other than non-tournament designated areas (which are very few).  NCAA also gets all revenue and controls all 'trash and trinket sales' - no exception.  The NCAA has complete control from Wednesday of Final Four to the day after the Championship game.

[woosterbooster]

Pat, thanks.  So, for events such as Christmas tournaments, in which some of the visiting teams are coming from a distance, it's possible, or likely, that the host would put forth some travel expense money out of the gate?  That makes sense to me.

[David Collinge]

If you peruse the Open Dates boards, you can get a sense for what gets offered by schools to attract tournament participants. For example, the latest post in the men's tournaments sections happens to be from Allegheny:

Allegheny College (Meadville PA) is looking for ONE team to play in our Tip Off Tournament Friday Nov 16 and Saturday Nov 17 of 2012. $750 guarantee plus a meal and tshirts for participants. Reduced rates and free breakfast available at the Hampton Inn. Please contact:
Jim Driggs
Head Men's Basketball
jdriggs@allegheny.edu
814-332-281

[woosterbooster]

If you peruse the Open Dates boards, you can get a sense for what gets offered by schools to attract tournament participants. For example, the latest post in the men's tournaments sections happens to be from Allegheny:

Allegheny College (Meadville PA) is looking for ONE team to play in our Tip Off Tournament Friday Nov 16 and Saturday Nov 17 of 2012. $750 guarantee plus a meal and tshirts for participants. Reduced rates and free breakfast available at the Hampton Inn. Please contact:
Jim Driggs
Head Men's Basketball
jdriggs@allegheny.edu
814-332-281

Wow.  Ok.  You and me, that's two.  Smedindy, you in?  Scotsfan?  Then we just need one other guy.  That's $150 cash each and if we all stay in one room, it'll be almost all profit.  Who's got a van?  We can beat them suckers, too, if they don't guard me in the corner...

[bufordscot]

If you peruse the Open Dates boards, you can get a sense for what gets offered by schools to attract tournament participants. For example, the latest post in the men's tournaments sections happens to be from Allegheny:

Allegheny College (Meadville PA) is looking for ONE team to play in our Tip Off Tournament Friday Nov 16 and Saturday Nov 17 of 2012. $750 guarantee plus a meal and tshirts for participants. Reduced rates and free breakfast available at the Hampton Inn. Please contact:
Jim Driggs
Head Men's Basketball
jdriggs@allegheny.edu
814-332-281

Wow.  Ok.  You and me, that's two.  Smedindy, you in?  Scotsfan?  Then we just need one other guy.  That's $150 cash each and if we all stay in one room, it'll be almost all profit.  Who's got a van?  We can beat them suckers, too, if they don't guard me in the corner...

If they will play half court count me in.

[smedindy]

Congrats to Justin Hallowell of Wooster for making 3rd team D3hoops.com Men's All-American, and to Tim Brady of OWU for making the 4th team.

[seinfeld]

Also interesting to see Greg Ross from Centre on the All-American team. He was at Wooster for his freshman year, and the start of his sophomore year before transferring because of lack of playing time. Mostly it was due to the arrival of Claytor and Mays.

As for Cabrini-Whitewater, the last time these two teams lost in the NCAA tournament was against Wooster (Whitewater in 2010 and Cabrini in 2011). Whitewater is being led by probably the best player in Div. III, Chris Davis (http://host.madison.com/sports/college/state-and-regional/whitewater/ncaa-div-iii-men-s-basketball-chris-davis-went-from/article_c8fa7e68-6efe-11e1-a400-001871e3ce6c.html). I'm guessing that he wouldn't have been accepted at any of the NCAC schools -- with the exception of Oberlin, which is going all in hoops from what it looks like.

As a Wooster fan, seeing one of these two teams win the national title is a little irking, since we are still searching for our first.

[Gregory Sager]

As a Wooster fan, seeing one of these two teams win the national title is a little irking, since we are still searching for our first.

Well, so is Cabrini. In fact, this is the first-ever appearance in the Final Four for the Cavaliers.

[seinfeld]

As a Wooster fan, seeing one of these two teams win the national title is a little irking, since we are still searching for our first.

Well, so is Cabrini. In fact, this is the first-ever appearance in the Final Four for the Cavaliers.

I realize that, but Cabrini isn't the second-winningest team in Div. III history, nor the team with the best winning percentage in all of the NCAA since 2000, which I guess was underlying my point.

[smedindy]

Davis is a great story about the redemptive power of college athletics and especially D-3 sports.

Plus, all it takes is for one admissions officer to want to take a chance on someone like him.

[Gregory Sager]

As a Wooster fan, seeing one of these two teams win the national title is a little irking, since we are still searching for our first.

Well, so is Cabrini. In fact, this is the first-ever appearance in the Final Four for the Cavaliers.

I realize that, but Cabrini isn't the second-winningest team in Div. III history, nor the team with the best winning percentage in all of the NCAA since 2000, which I guess was underlying my point.

[puts on Professor Pedantic hat]

I've noticed that a number of Wooster, Wittenberg, and Illinois Wesleyan fans have made statements of this nature over the past few weeks, bringing up the voluminous numbers of wins that the three schools have tallied over the past century-plus. As admirable as that is, it's somewhat erroneous and misleading to characterize this as "D3 history," since the vast majority of the wins accumulated by those three schools were prior to their entrance into D3. Wittenberg and Wooster have only been D3 members since the inception of the division in 1974-75, and Illinois Wesleyan didn't become a functioning D3 member until nine years after that. Essentially, these statements should be worded as "winningest program among schools that are currently members of D3," or something to that effect. Of course, some school out there has won more D3 games than anybody else; we just don't seem to know who it is (and it would require looking at the year-by-year results of numerous schools since 1974-75 in order to figure it out).

[takes off Professor Pedantic hat]

As to your point, though, in this case -- as in most problems in life -- you can always be grateful that you're not as bad off as somebody else. Wooster's Sisyphean woes are nothing compared to those of Franklin & Marshall. The Diplomats are tied for third place in D3 tournament appearances (23) and Final Four appearances (5), and are in sole possession of third place in wins (43). Those numbers easily outdistance the comparative numbers of Wooster (21 appearances, 3 Final Fours, 27 wins). Yet F&M has never won a national championship. In their five Final Fours, the Diplomats have finished second once, third once, and fourth three times. Hope's also a little worse off than Wooster in the close-but-no-cigar department. Hope's been to more tourneys than the Fighting Scots (23, tied with F&M and Salem State for third place), an equal number of Final Fours (3), and has more wins (28). And the Dutch are still waiting on their first chance to cut down the nets.

(I'm sure that sac's just gonna love the fact that I brought this up.)

Davis is a great story about the redemptive power of college athletics and especially D-3 sports.

Plus, all it takes is for one admissions officer to want to take a chance on someone like him.

Both excellent points, smeds.

[ScotsFan]

As to your point, though, in this case -- as in most problems in life -- you can always be grateful that you're not as bad off as somebody else. Wooster's Sisyphean woes are nothing compared to those of Franklin & Marshall. The Diplomats are tied for third place in D3 tournament appearances (23) and Final Four appearances (5), and are in sole possession of third place in wins (43). Those numbers easily outdistance the comparative numbers of Wooster (21 appearances, 3 Final Fours, 27 wins). Yet F&M has never won a national championship. In their five Final Fours, the Diplomats have finished second once, third once, and fourth three times. Hope's also a little worse off than Wooster in the close-but-no-cigar department. Hope's been to more tourneys than the Fighting Scots (23, tied with F&M and Salem State for third place), an equal number of Final Fours (3), and has more wins (28). And the Dutch are still waiting on their first chance to cut down the nets.

(I'm sure that sac's just gonna love the fact that I brought this up.)

Thanks for the lesson professor...

And to your point, I'm sure that many Hope and F&M fans would share in seinfeld's opinion.