MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[woosterbooster]

Since we've sort of migrated to the topic of DIII officiating, and I have a question, I'll ask it of those of you who might know:

Do officials sort of "apply" to be college referees, and take some sort of exams before taking the court?

Or, hopefully, are they recruited from the high school ranks, college level "referee scouts" plucking the best officials that they can find and more or less promoting them if they're interested, only taking those that they want?

I'd hope it was the latter, but somehow I doubt it after seeing what we have.

Jack

[woosterbooster]

Port's fouls were definitely NOT ticky tack. He deserved them and should have received a "T" for his actions.

I wasn't at the Wooster-Wabash game, and only listened to it on the radio, but to hear it from the admittedly somewhat biased Wooster broadcast, at least two or three of Port's fouls had the announcer wondering.  I'm not saying he's a saint, but I don't think he's a bozo either, and if I'm remembering right a couple of those fouls he received after just re-entering the game when you'd think he'd be playing a little carefully.

And exactly what did he do to deserve a technical?

I've seen JCU players dispute every single call against them even when using their machetes and nobody ever T's them up.

Jack

[smedindy]

From what I saw, he mouthed off all the way to the bench and gave an overtly dramatic gesture or three as well that definitely was 'showing up' the ref.  The ref was just about ready to blow the whistle when he was intercepted.

I do remember at the time thinking that he was definitely going to get rung up.

If the ref gave Petty a technical for merely counting to five, then Port deserved one. One ref had rabbit ears, for sure, but if you're going to hand out the "T's" be consistent.

Alas, they were not, like they were not all game. Had it not been bench clearing time the last four minutes could have gotten out of hand. I did find it funny that they were calling some minor stuff in the late stages of the game when in the first half at times it seemed you needed assault and battery to get a foul, then on the next trip not much.

I can see getting frustrated about the fouls, because the refs were inconsistent, yet the game was well in hand. The only glory left for Port was personal, since Wooster was well in control of the game. He should have just slunk to the bench to fight another day.

For sure, the refs didn't give up 111 points, either. And if McLaughin was on an NCAA crew he must have gotten high marks somewhere down the road.

Hmmmm...maybe I should get into this reffin' bizness... 

[imderekpoe]

Smeds, we must have been at different games on Saturday!  Port was a couple feet away from the play when his 5th was called.  (I do think that the shooter was probably fouled by Vandervaart.)  When he was whistled, he did storm off the court, but never said a word to any of the officials, which is the difference between his actions and those of the Wabash bench.  Yes he was mad (because he had done exactly what you said and avoid the foul), and yes he made a couple of gestures, but nothing that I thought worthy of getting rung up.  Clearly we're looking at things from different perspectives, but I didn't see anything out of line.

My biggest question was why was he put back into the game with the Scots having the game in hand?  One look at the end of the bench where Fulk was sitting with a banged-up knee should have been enough for Moore to keep Port on the bench!

[earlhamalum]

consistency   that isn't hard to do... refs are consistently BAD... period.  If refs didn't have EGOs like they all do the game of basketball would be a lot better.  I know we are all humans and are not perfect, but CONSISTENTCY is all we should ask for.  If the refs want to be consistently bad, do it for BOTH teams.   

[smedindy]

I was at the scorers table. He definitely got the call and he definitely said some words.

[MoneyBallSTL]

I believe applicants apply to be an NCAA official rather than being promoted for good remarks and/or performance in the high school level but I'm not too sure. And don't get me wrong, not all officials are bad, there's just that handful that have too much pride and/or ego to call a consistent game. These are the ones that we tend to find sometimes in the NCAC, perhaps they think that they should make a statement being an "NCAA" official and that'll help springboard them to the Division 1 Final Four someday, I think that's hardly the case. The bottomline is they should keep their emotions out of the game and not hold grudges for past events, as might have been the case at Wabash. I for one would love to see some of the great high school officials move up in Ohio someday. For instance Jay Carter has done over 20 years of phenomenal work in Ohio high school games.  I'm sure he would be great in some college games.

[pennstghs]

the refs in the league seem to try and control the game as much as they can by swaying calls to promote a style of play. For example, by calling ticky tack fouls on the post players such as russ, borchers, brandon miller, tom port-they try to distract from their style of play and almost make it seem as if their job is a little easier because everyone is afraid to make contact.

on the other hand the other night against earlham i saw plenty of non calls against earlham defenders elbowing russ while guarding him with no calls

ONE major point-despite all the bickering by coaches on these refs night after night it is surprising that hardly any technicals have been called. bill brown has been in refs faces quite a bit this year and i am sort of surprised he hasnt been called for one

[WallyFS4]

Wabash got thier a$$'s handed to them.  The key to the game was the turnover we had with around a minute before half when we could of turned it into an 1 point game, and it ballooned to 8.  Cooper is the real deal.  Johnson is a great point guard.  We will have to deal with the 2 for the next 2 years and Johnson for 3.

I heard the reason Copper left Springfield was he wasn't admitted to Witt.  Very hard to believe he would be admitted to CoW and not Witt.  Any truth to this rumor.

Smed

I agree.  He should have been T'd.  He overreacted to every call against him.  As we all know "good" and "offical" can not be used in the same sentence.


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[earlhamalum]

WallyFS4- Please don't answer that can of worms.  Go back to the post when Witt. and Wooster played... Had about 20 post on that subjects.

[imderekpoe]

Well, I'll still disagree with the foul call - but maybe I was looking through my Black and Old Gold colored glasses!! 

And if his comments were such that he may have deserved a 'T', at least he was smart enough not to say them in the refs faces...

[WallyFS4]

Earlhamalum,

Sorry to pick at that scab.  First time posting D3hoops.  More into the D3football.  Was very impressed with CoW.  Can't wait to go to the Witt game.  I have only seen a couple Bash games this year CoW and Illinois Weslyan.  As good as Illinois Weslyan looked.  I was more impressed with CoW.  I wish I could see more Bash games, but involved with our local HS team.  Does not give much time to go to Bash games.  As always.

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[jscwittfan]

Just another Wittenberg fan here trying to get into the mix.

pennstghs, I completely agree with you on Coach Brown.  I thought for sure he was going to get a technical on Saturday against Hiram - he was to the point where Coach Taylor actually had to make him sit back down and get away from the refs.  It was actually quite a humorous sight when I think back on it.

[David Collinge]

For the first time in poll history, there are now two NCAC teams atop the D3hoops.com top 25 poll:

1. Wittenberg (15)...610
2. Wooster (3)...592
3. Albion (7)...590
4. Hope...531

Witt consolidates their hold on #1, picking up an additional 7 first-place votes.  Wooster clings to a 2-point edge on Albion, despite Albion having 4 more first-place votes than the Scots.  Great Lakes squads continue to occupy the top 4 positions, 5 of the top 10 (B-WC is #10), and seven of the top 25 (#11 Carnegie Mellon, #25 Ohio Northern.)

[earlhamalum]

Just an interesting fact.  Tyler Stewart who hit the game winning 3 pointer against OWU on Saturday is the Son of Avis Stewart, who played for Earlham. His brother, Tyler's Uncle is 13th on the all-time scoring list for Earlham.  All Three of them played at Earlham College.. and i think Avis Stewart  played for Earlham when Del Harris was coaching. 

Brandon Miller will need 13 more points to pass Ken Stewart and become 13th on the all-time scoring list for Earlham College.  I also believe he will need to average about 12 PPG to pass Nathan Stoops (8th) all-time. *Stoops missed 9 games his senior year, because he was studing over in Japan.  Brandon Miller also has a chance to crack the top 6 if he can average what he is now.

Also, Markous Jewett is 80 points away from becoming the 23rd player in Earlham's history to Score 1,000 points in his career.