MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[smedindy]

 

[ScotsFan]

Wooster overrated? OWU underrated?

Wooster trims a 26 point deficit to two in just over 10 minutes and was a Panell missed 3 pointer from coming all the way back in what would have been one of the greatest comebacks in Wooster history and they're overrated?  Yeah, that's it exactly... 

[Bishopleftiesdad]

Plus it is not as if OWU has played hasn't beat anybody else. Remember  they also beat then sizth place Calvin. What we saw were two very good teams playing. I think both teams belong in the top 10.

[ScotsFan]

Plus it is not as if OWU has played hasn't beat anybody else. Remember  they also beat then sizth place Calvin. What we saw were two very good teams playing. I think both teams belong in the top 10.

Exactly right!  Gray had one hell of a game for the Bishops as did Panell for the Scots! 

[smedindy]

Wooster overrated? OWU underrated?

Wooster trims a 26 point deficit to two in just over 10 minutes and was a Panell missed 3 pointer from coming all the way back in what would have been one of the greatest comebacks in Wooster history and they're overrated?  Yeah, that's it exactly... 

This is Wooster's second loss, though. We've been talking about all of the carnage in the Top 25 over at the Top 25 board. It's a legit question. Sorry it's not part of your narrative.

I also was bucking up OWU to be ranked higher than #14. They seem to be taking care of business with a good schedule. The discussion there is that Amherst will be defacto #1 even though they've played hacks and frauds...

[fantastic50]

The back-to-back Wooster losses got me doing a bit of "when was the last time" sleuthing at http://www.woosterathletics.com/sports/mbkb/results/index, in response to a question on the top 25 board, so I thought that I would post it here, too.

- In November 2008, Wooster lost three of four (L vs W&J, W vs Mesiah, L at Carnegie Mellon, L neu UW-Platteville).
- In 1989-90, the Scots lost four of six at two different points in the season (including their most recent to Oberlin)
- In Steve Moore's first season, 1987-88, Wooster closed the season with a 5-7 stretch.

However, the last time Wooster lost more than two consecutive games was in 1987, in Lu Wims final season coaching the Scots, when they dropped five in a row, late in an 8-18 campaign.

The Scots early schedule is certainly a trial-by-fire, with three teams picked to win other leagues, a road trip to Indiana, and then two nationally-ranked conference opponents, including a long road trip the weekend before finals.  I suspect that the less-experienced guys will grow up a lot as a result, though, and that Wooster will be very tough in late February and March.

[woosterbooster]

Until Wooster began their amazing-but-just-too-late comeback, OWU was deadly from three-point range.  Sometimes they had good looks.  Lots of times, especially on Gray's shots, there was a guy right there with a hand in a face.  Still they buried them as if they were three-foot jumpers.

Wooster's ball movement against a zone has improved a little, but is still mediocre.  One way to successfully attack a zone is to get the ball to a big mobile guy like a Fanelly on the high post.  From there, all sorts of options open up.  (See Nebraska vs Duke, the women's game, last night.)

Evan Pannell, on the offensive end, was remarkable during Wooster's big run.  Kudos to the senior, whose play during is career has been so steady with continual improvement.

The Wooster video stream was fine, the two announcers more than competent and professional. 

[Gregory Sager]

Wooster overrated? OWU underrated?

Wooster trims a 26 point deficit to two in just over 10 minutes and was a Panell missed 3 pointer from coming all the way back in what would have been one of the greatest comebacks in Wooster history and they're overrated?  Yeah, that's it exactly... 

Two sides to that response, though, SF. Yeah, it was a great comeback ...  but the other side of the coin is that Wooster found itself down by 26 in the first place.

[woosterbooster]

Wooster overrated? OWU underrated?

Wooster trims a 26 point deficit to two in just over 10 minutes and was a Panell missed 3 pointer from coming all the way back in what would have been one of the greatest comebacks in Wooster history and they're overrated?  Yeah, that's it exactly... 

Two sides to that response, though, SF. Yeah, it was a great comeback ...  but the other side of the coin is that Wooster found itself down by 26 in the first place.

Rule change in the NCAC this season, Greg, which being an outlander you can be forgiven for missing.  There is now, in league games, a handicap system imposed based upon the preseason poll.  The underdog in this particular game, OWU, playing on the road, was started at +26 on the scoreboard.  Hence Wooster's comeback deserves Scotfan's acclaim, and no kudos are issued to OWU for creating the lead, as it was given gratis.

At least this is what Collinge told me; I personally missed the beginning of the game...

[Gregory Sager]

Wooster overrated? OWU underrated?

Wooster trims a 26 point deficit to two in just over 10 minutes and was a Panell missed 3 pointer from coming all the way back in what would have been one of the greatest comebacks in Wooster history and they're overrated?  Yeah, that's it exactly... 

Two sides to that response, though, SF. Yeah, it was a great comeback ...  but the other side of the coin is that Wooster found itself down by 26 in the first place.

Rule change in the NCAC this season, Greg, which being an outlander you can be forgiven for missing.  There is now, in league games, a handicap system imposed based upon the preseason poll.  The underdog in this particular game, OWU, playing on the road, was started at +26 on the scoreboard.  Hence Wooster's comeback deserves Scotfan's acclaim, and no kudos are issued to OWU for creating the lead, as it was given gratis.

At least this is what Collinge told me; I personally missed the beginning of the game...

Ah, then let that be a lesson to me, then: Always read the fine print in a league's rulebook before commenting upon the league's outcomes.

[David Collinge]

You didn't really think Oberlin beat Wittenberg fair and square, did you? 

Unreported here is that Denison took advantage of their league-mandated handicap to defeat #18 DePauw last night, 67-65. Also, Allegheny dropped Hiram from the ranks of the unbeaten (yes, Virginia, Hiram was 5-0), 76-59. That leaves OWU (2-0, 6-0) as the last remaining unbeaten (overall) team in the NCAC, holding a 1/2 game lead on Denison, Wabash, and Allegheny in the early league standings. At the other end of the table, Wittenberg (1-5, 0-2) is solely in last place, with Wooster tied with Hiram and DePauw for next-to-last place. When was the last time THAT happened?

[bufordscot]

Haven't had a chance to see any Wooster action this year   That said, doesn't a team of Wooster's quality have to get more out of their two guard than 4.6 points and 1.8 assists.  What am I missing?

[woosterbooster]

Haven't had a chance to see any Wooster action this year   That said, doesn't a team of Wooster's quality have to get more out of their two guard than 4.6 points and 1.8 assists.  What am I missing?

I think you're looking at the wrong stats column for Xavier Brown.  The 4.6 is Field Goals/Game.  His Points/Game number is 12.4.   The other thing is that, at least early on, he was playing with a bad ankle.  That may be better now, but I don't know.

[bufordscot]

Haven't had a chance to see any Wooster action this year   That said, doesn't a team of Wooster's quality have to get more out of their two guard than 4.6 points and 1.8 assists.  What am I missing?

I think you're looking at the wrong stats column for Xavier Brown.  The 4.6 is Field Goals/Game.  His Points/Game number is 12.4.   The other thing is that, at least early on, he was playing with a bad ankle.  That may be better now, but I don't know.

I guess I should have been clearer.  I thought Xavier was playing point guard as opposed to the two guard (old terminology).  I was referring to Jalen Goodwin.

[Ohigy]

Wooster vs. DePauw and OWU vs. Denison.  Thats two early season big games in the NCAC.