MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[Vanilla24COW]

It is pretty bad when a guy comes out in the postgame and basically admits he knew he could not stop it, no one dunks in their house, and that he was frustrated. To me this all translates into intent whether he meant to injure or not no one knows but apparently he knew as he came down the court that if Port dunked he would pay the price. I have to believe that if the hiram player were close enough to contest the shot, Tom would have simply laid the ball in and taken the 3 point play. The games I have seen him dunk have all been pretty much breakaway plays where the chances are slim of someone stopping him. There is a fine line between fouling someone hard to prevent an easy open basket and fouling someone out of frustration of being down by 20. Either way the Scots will find a way to get things taken care of if Port is out, let's just hope that it is a mild sprain that may force him to miss some practice time and maybe just a game.

[ScotsFan]

EA, as Wooster Booster said, I guess you are showing your true colors the more you try and defend a player like Pfouts and the so called "code"??   Just to add another quote taken "out of context," as EA likes to defend, here is some more on what Mr. Pfouts had to say about the incident:

"I went up and tried to block the ball. I know it was late and some of it was frustration. We were down 20 at the time."

I really don't know how you can defend this?  I mean he clearly stated he was LATE and it was partly out of FRUSTRATION.  What part of hustle and busting your ass did I miss in there?!  I think smed's description pretty much summed it up. 

[earlhamalum]

I would like to read the article in which Mout was " ".  I know that you can take 1 or 2 sentences and totally Skew what he said.  Not saying that is the case.  I never said i'd take out someone legs on purpose.  I can say it has occurred a few times, because I DID give 100%.  I would just like to hear or watch the play and give a NON-BIAS view on the situation!  
By the way WoosterBooster don't ever question me as a person or a player.  A Lot (always two words    
I don't think nobody dunks in my house at all cost is the right philosophy at all.  I am just saying I am going to give 100% to do everything I can (in the RULES) to stop a player from an Easy 2 at home/away/practice/pick-up game. (i can think of many Wooster players that would feel the same way) 

Scotsfan.. please send me or put of the article so i can read it all.  If that is the case then HE SCREWED up!

If it was out of frusteration and down 20 was motiviation then all I needed to do was read the whole article.  Hopefully Mout wasn't playing Dirty all game and this was the icing on the Cake.. the kid made a mistake.. he realized he was to late... (was that after the play or during, you can only assume) starting to sound like DURING, and I agree he has been taught a bad philosophy from Ohio Coaches.. (JK)    

[Vanilla24COW]

EA, http://www.the-daily-record.com/article.php?pathToFile=/articles//sports/&file=_sports2.txt&article=1&tD=

As a former Wooster player I have no problem with a foul to prevent an easy 2 but from the sounds of this one and the way that it appears to have happened I can honestly say that I would let the dunk go, inbound the ball and come down and try to get it back, at the same time having played for Wooster I wasn't down by 20 too many times

[billy_pilgrim]

Interesting difference in coverage between the two hard fouls in the NCAC last night.

I see the Daily-Record article that Vanilla24COW provided mentions the foul in the game (as it obviously had impact with Port's injury). Conversely, the Richmond Pal-Item story today had no mention of the hard foul at the end of the Earlham/Wabash game last night.

Now, I know I'm getting my corroboration from multiple Earlham sources; but, it appears the foul was even harder, more flagrant and more dangerous than what I had initially heard on the Teamline broadcast. LaRon Henry was pulled down from behind while already in the air on a dunk attempt. No intentional foul was called on Caleb Lyttle, while Earlham and Wabash players apparently had to be separated.

Now, I will admit that I have not seen either the Lyttle foul on Henry last night or the Lyttle foul on Port's Saturday dunk attempt. Maybe others on this board were at either of those games and can provide better descriptions. But, these oft-criticized officials need to get situations like this under control before players suffer more serious injuries than bruised hips and sprained wrists and well before a brawl erupts because of the (borderline?) dirty play that apparently is being condoned.

[earlhamalum]

Why am i not suprised..

"I've always been taught that you don't let someone dunk in your house," he said. "I went up and tried to block the ball. I know it was late and some of it was frustration. We were down 20 at the time. It wasn't intentional, though."
Thanks board for all of the Quote... oh wait you only put in the part that made the Kid look bad!  Still not saying he should of done what he did.

Vanilla24COW- Check you're personal message thingy on here

[DenisonFan]

That will really be a shame if Port is out for any length of time.   I swear some of these coaches look at a thug and say he is 5 fouls and go take someone out.   They have no b-ball skill, they just beat on people.  Refs will not call it because they think they are calling too much.  It is really too bad.

Welcome "big red x".

If I can answer your question....yes Ghiloni is always that intense.  You may get some idea why 4 juniors quit.  How would you like to practice everyday to that?  He makes it NO fun.  And you can see it rubs off on his staff.  I truely believe that.

Again, it seems like he has NO clue who he going to play.  I complained after the Oberlin game that Eberst should be pissed.  So now he goes from 4 minutes to 18 and starting the second half.      ??   Ward plays 6 minutes last game, this game nothing. I was told that Ghiloni doesn't announce the starting lineup until the day of the game.  Now tell me one other coach at any level who does that?  They players are totally in the dark.

Anyone who watched the Kansas Mizzu game would have heard the commentator say that Kansas has no continuety in their line up and that is part of their problem.  Believe me Denison is the poster child for that.   Nobody knows their roll on the team.   Maybe Hodgkinson and Hern do.  But after that, it is like Ghiloni is clueless about who to play and when.   You would think one of his 20 assitant coaches would say something but maybe they are just as clueless.  Or they are afraid of Ghiloni just like the team is.

But we won and so what can I say???   We beat the teams we should and get smashed by everyone else.

[smedindy]

Hey Billy - there was no foul on Port by Lyttle in the Wooster game. There was no foul called - and really there was contact but it wasn't bad or flagrant.

[hoopsfan1111]

Well, maybe the quote wasn't posted in whole...but my feeling is that the kid's statement was pretty contradictory...

You know you are late, but you hit him anyway...sounds intentional.  I won't let anyone dunk in my house...sounds intentional. 

I am with Vanilla24COW...hopefully this kid will learn his lesson and realize that he should have let the dunk go, realize he got burned, and realize that instead of worrying about someone dunking in "his house" maybe he should worry about the 20 point deficit that he and his team are facing...

Anyway, lets all hope Port gets well soon...because no matter what team you are a fan of, he is fun to watch...

[Lboogz15]

Now being around basketball for many years and enduring and seeing many fouls i can tell you the one Port received last night was not one that was so bad that Pfouts should have been kicked out of the game for.  I've heard a lot about how the foul was late and he didn't have a chance to block the shot.....   However if he was that Late and the foul was that bad how come the refs didn't eject him from the game.  Its just a little food for thought for those out there who respect the little scots tradition!  I'm sorry Port went down with an injury, but little scots fans we are taking this just a tad bit over board.  I know that you have championship dreams, but as much as you are focusing on port you have a plethora of players who more than carried the load in his absence.  If this foul had have been on somebody deeper in the bench none of you would have anything to say at all and this would not be an issue.  So as the name states keep fighting little Scots!

[billy_pilgrim]

Hey Billy - there was no foul on Port by Lyttle in the Wooster game. There was no foul called - and really there was contact but it wasn't bad or flagrant.

My mistake.


And welcome back DenisonFan...I thought winning usually cured ails?  

[hiramsIve]

I couldn't agree more you Lboogz.  Tom Port is an excellent ball player.  The fighting scots should be upset that he is injured at the time.  But what many of the scot fans fail to realize is that people get hurt everyday playing  the game of basketball.  Its the risk you take everytime you step on the court.  I hate dirty play just like everyone else.  But I love it when two teams are battling and giving 100 percent of their effort.  I believe that Tom Port gave 100 percent of his effort when he took the ball to the basket, and I believe Ian Pfouts gave  100 percent of his effort when he tried to stop him.  I weap for Port, I really do, its his senior year and hopefully Port will be able to play the rest of the season, but don't fault him for giving his best effort.  

[seinfeld]

Boy, Hiram is showing its class. A current player gets on the board and mocks Wooster's nickname. Real classy. I guess we can at least say that he did see the play, since he is a player. Based on the picture on Hiram's Web site, there may have been about five Hiram fans at the game. It's a good thing that Pfouts protected his house for those five fans.

I love the "it wasn't intentional line." Because he prefaces what he said or did by saying he didn't mean it, it makes it alright.

Based on his comments, it appears Pfouts suffers from immaturity or ignorance, or both. This is not a video game, or that shoe commercial where the Ray Lewis look alike yells out "you must protect this house."

And Billy Pilgrim, it's too late for the refs to do anything for Port, as he has a fractured wrist. Not sure the details of how long he will be out, but I think it is safe to say he will miss a few weeks, maybe more.

[smedindy]

DFan -

Of course you remember those KU teams where Williams went 10, 11, 12 deep, though.

They have no continuity at KU because no one can be counted on to play consistently game after game. That's what happens with young players.

Perhaps practice effort dictates game play at Denison.

[DenisonFan]

Smed:  After 16 games you start who played well that week in practice??  Come on?

Billy-P.. We beat Oberlin by 3 and Kenyon by 3.  That doesn't leave me feeling all warm and fuzzy.  Infact, had Spencer made his freethrows we lose.  There isn't a team including Kenyon who hasn't beatin Oberlin by at least 20.  (sorry Oberlin) 

I think Ghiloni is a poor bench coach. MY OPINION!!