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[fighting_scots]

Out of curiousity since i was not able to , Anyone want to let me know what the Witt fans were chanting in the second half that has a few of the posters a bit upset?

imderekpoe is correct, but to add context it came after the Woo Students chanted "We can't hear you"--

Great game last night--the Scots' can hit 3s like most teams can hit layups--and the continued emergence of the next "Big Game James" to wear the Black and Old Gold made this victory especially sweet!

Sorry you couldn't be there BigKrapper--you're fellow former mates were there strong in number.  A potential rematch will be closer to home--

GO SCOTS!

[oldwittfan]

I have no doubts that Wittenberg student fans can be just as much jerks as the Wooster students.  Wooster students have been similarly obnoxious in recent years.  Neither school can be very proud about it.  We recruit from the same pool, and such behavior is tolerated way too much these days.  What I said was that Witt's Athletic Director would act.  He did try to set the tone before the game.  He happened to be out of the gym getting more towels when the Witt students turned ugly.  If he had been there he would have acted as he has during earlier games this year.  My apologies for our students.

That was a great game by Wooster's team.  They were shooting 80% from the 3 point line for the first 25 minutes or so.  I know they are good but doubt they are that good.  Billy Bowen got right in Cooper's face when he guarded him and that seemed to work.  I assume he and teams who see the tape will adopt that approach again.  Obviously, we hope we get another shot at Wooster.  Both Wooster and Wittenberg seem to have played better at the other team's gym in recent years.  We can only hope so.

The value of athletics is not just learning how to win.  It is also learning what to do after you lose.  I think this Wittenberg team has the character to do that well.  We will see. Again, congratulations to Wooster and hope to see you down the road.

[ScotsFan]

I hardly think the "We can't hear you" chant deserves that response.    I don't think you can get much uglier and profane than that eh oldwittfan???   And to say that it just so happened that the AD was out getting towels and that's why they got away with it?  Like he wouldn't have heard about it when he came back to the floor?  Why wouldn't he have done something then if he doesn't tolerate it unlike you say Wooster's AD does?

On another note, here is a quote I found a bit amusing from the Springfield fishwrap:

Twice now the Tigers have held the nation's fifth-best scoring offense (100.7 ppg) to 86 points with the nation's best defense that allows an average of 52.7 points a game.

They act like the Tigers did well to hold Wooster to 86 points?!  Let's see, Witt's D gave up 34 points above their average, while they held Wooster to just 14 points below their average.  And, in reality, Wooster helped Witt out by slowing things down at the end of the game, or they might have hit their average.  I just thought it was funny to say that Witt held Wooster to 86 points like it was some extraordinary effort by Witt's D to hold Wooster under the century mark.

[kiltedbryan]

I thought that Witt's fan section may have been saying "Buck you Wooster" to try to be cute...to my ears it didn't really seem like an "F" sound to start it-but maybe I'm just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.  Either way, Wooster's students aren't innocent- we seem to like saying "S&$t on Witt."  Both sides were guilty of "Bull S&$t" chants when officials' calls didn't go there way.

Personally, I wish we'd just play the basketball game and have more inventive/interesting cheers, which would reflect better on our schools' academic reputations, anyway.

I give credit to both Woo and Witt's ADs, though, as they at least tried to talk over the PA to control the crowd.  I don't know where Witt's AD spent most of the game, but Woo's (Keith Beckett) was right at the Wooster bench and thus right at the student cheering section.

[kiltedbryan]

On a different note, one of the Witt students had a sign saying "You've got a TOWNIE," which I assume referred to Cooper.

To the Witt people, is being a student at Witt and coming from Springfield looked down upon?  Does Witt not have many students from the area?  Or was this just a student who was trying to make hay out of something that didn't really matter?

[David Collinge]

On a different note, one of the Witt students had a sign saying "You've got a TOWNIE," which I assume referred to Cooper.

To the Witt people, is being a student at Witt and coming from Springfield looked down upon?  Does Witt not have many students from the area?  Or was this just a student who was trying to make hay out of something that didn't really matter?

I gather from your footer that you're still a student at Wooster.  Can I infer from your post that there's no more "town and gown" (or "uphill/downhill") issues at Wooster?  In my day, there was nothing worse than being a "townie."  I kept my local resident status a closely guarded secret until my fraternity was stuck with me, then turned it to my advantage (as a place we could go for off-campus parties.)  But I wasn't a true "townie," either, since I was from Millersburg and not Wooster. 

The Scots have their own "townie" in Brad Chisnell.

[fighting_scots]

Old Witt Fan:

 I know they are good but doubt they are that good.  

1)  Doubt if you must, but Wooster is THAT good

Billy Bowen got right in Cooper's face when he guarded him and that seemed to work.  I assume he and teams who see the tape will adopt that approach again.  

2)  Were you there?  As has been recently posted, Brown's had 2 opportunities to try and stop Cooper, along with coaches in 19 other games vs. the Scots, to no avail--he faces teams #1 defenders in every game, and continues to light up the sky. 

One of Springfield's finest, in Black and Old Gold, hoisting daggers at the rim from 28 feet, won't be stopped by Bowen should they meet again--I'm guessing Brown tried everything to prepare for Cooper yesterday, and I'm also guessing that today he still has the same hopeless feeling about how to defend him that he did after he drained the game winning 3 in Wooster.

[kiltedbryan]

I gather from your footer that you're still a student at Wooster.  Can I infer from your post that there's no more "town and gown" (or "uphill/downhill") issues at Wooster?  In my day, there was nothing worse than being a "townie."  I kept my local resident status a closely guarded secret until my fraternity was stuck with me, then turned it to my advantage (as a place we could go for off-campus parties.)  But I wasn't a true "townie," either, since I was from Millersburg and not Wooster. 

The Scots have their own "townie" in Brad Chisnell.

I won't say there aren't issues with town-gown (the school's too liberal; town's conservative/parties in the town's backyard etc.) but I think the overall relationship is pretty positive.  

I am a real "townie," (lived in Wooster since age 7   ) which I certainly do get called from time to time, but it doesn't carry the same negativity that you recall from your student days.  There are a good number of "locals" that seem to do just fine at Woo, and students don't seem to really care one way or the other.

My surprise at the sign was that I didn't think it would be the type of sign Wooster students would have made if at a Woo home game if Witt had a player that was a Wooster local.  I guess I just interperted the Witt student's sign as saying, "We don't need a townie/local player to win- you can have him...in fact, we don't even want him, because he's a townie."  I just was trying to figure out if that was an accurate interpertation of the sign, because I couldn't figure out what else the student was trying to say.

"Uphill/downhill": only problem with that now is that Wooster the city has grown out to the north...so Wooster the college is now downhill from a lot of the town/newest development.  We still sing about the "school we love on top of the hill" in our fight song, "Are you from Wooster?" though.  

[Li'l Giant]

Wow!  That's mighty low.  I wonder what would have inspired such a display?  I certainly hope that Wooster students don't behave that way when Wooster loses to Witt at home. 

It's good to have an intense rivalry, but that's too intense.  It's just a game, after all.

Sounds about as nasty as our rivalry with Depauw is. Maybe it's not a good thing. Just saying.

As far as the "townie" thing that was quite an insult at Wabash among the students when I was there. I hope it's different now.

[Warren Thompson]

Just out of curiosity ...

Why the hell should it matter if a student is a "townie" (except to ignorant non-townie students with an infantile sense of self-importance)?

[Li'l Giant]

Some would say you answered your own question, Warren. 

[Warren Thompson]

Some would say you answered your own question, Warren. 

Yes, evidently I did ....

[kiltedbryan]

Just out of curiosity ...

Why the hell should it matter if a student is a "townie" (except to ignorant non-townie students with an infantile sense of self-importance)?

It shouldn't, so that's why I didn't understand the sign the Witt student held up.  Regardless, it was Cooper, with a game-leading 24 points, who showed that it didn't matter to him what Witt's cheering section said or held up.

[Warren Thompson]

Just out of curiosity ...

Why the hell should it matter if a student is a "townie" (except to ignorant non-townie students with an infantile sense of self-importance)?

It shouldn't, so that's why I didn't understand the sign the Witt student held up.  Regardless, it was Cooper, with a game-leading 24 points, who showed that it didn't matter to him what Witt's cheering section said or held up.

Never underestimate an undergraduate's ability to act like the south end of a northbound horse.   

[Li'l Giant]

Never underestimate an undergraduate's ability to act like the south end of a northbound horse.   

I'm quite sure they were aided by Jim Beam and some other "friends".