MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

David Collinge · February 22, 2007, 02:56:48 PM

Here's still more bad news for a possible Wittenberg Pool C bid:

Pool C Shocker: Cut Back to 18!

Don't get me wrong; I really, really want Witt to get a Pool C bid.

roadtrip · February 22, 2007, 03:17:01 PM

DC

Thanks for the info....I'm hoping for the same effort as the last time we faced Woo but with different results

smedindy · February 22, 2007, 03:29:05 PM

How in the h-e-double hockey sticks can the NCAA screw that up and only realize it NOW?

The Messiah loss looms YOUUUUUGE (tm Donald Trump)

pennstghs · February 22, 2007, 03:58:13 PM

wow two rough pieces worth noting today, what else could we find out

WillieBrown · February 22, 2007, 04:01:39 PM

Witt not getting an at large would be a joke. You guys are blowing this wayyyyy out of proportion. We could lose to ohio wesleyan and still get in.

ChicagoHopeNut · February 22, 2007, 04:04:45 PM

Quote from: WillieBrown on February 22, 2007, 04:01:39 PM
Witt not getting an at large would be a joke. You guys are blowing this wayyyyy out of proportion. We could lose to ohio wesleyan and still get in.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I don't think Witt is a sure thing at all if they lose to OWU.

David Collinge · February 22, 2007, 04:05:07 PM

Quote from: WillieBrown on February 22, 2007, 04:01:39 PMWe could lose to ohio wesleyan and still get in.

I hope you're right...twice.

But if Witt were to lose to OWU, it'd take a miracle to get the Tigers into the tournament...and the NCAA has outlawed miracles.

imderekpoe · February 22, 2007, 04:06:32 PM

Quote from: roadtrip on February 22, 2007, 03:17:01 PM
....I'm hoping for the same effort as the last time we faced Woo but with different results

My guess would be that if Wabash puts forth the same effort that they did a couple weeks ago at Richmond they'll be looking at a double-digit loss. Except for Port and Bidwell the Scots didn't play very well in that game. Plus now the Scots have Vandervaart back! Not that the upset couldn't happen, but Wabash will need to be at their very best to have a chance. And as OWU found out last Saturday, sometimes that's not enough against the Scots.

WooMix · February 22, 2007, 04:12:36 PM

Can someone please clarify this for me? Who has the automatic bid into the tournament from the NCAC? Is it the winner of the conference or the end-of-season tournament?

pufin · February 22, 2007, 04:16:40 PM

The tournament winner gets the conference AQ. There was some discussion earlier in the season about the regular season winner being recognized as the conference champion. Someone would have to go back to the old All-Sports tabulations to see which the NCAC uses for its calculations.

wally_wabash · February 22, 2007, 04:24:56 PM

Did I miss a meeting about Vandervaart? You'd swear he was Nelson, Ellenwood, and Gorman wrapped up in one neat little bundle. He's a good player, but come on...it's not like Wooster did horribly without him.

I'm inclined to believe that Witt is in if and only if they win the NCAC auto bid. The numbers just aren't in Wittenberg's favor. Losing that game against Allegheny did a ton of damage to Witt with respect to the selection criteria. The reality is that the records in our conference don't lend themselves well to high QoWIs. The margin of error for teams in our league is really pretty small.

imderekpoe · February 22, 2007, 04:37:51 PM

Quote from: wally_wabash on February 22, 2007, 04:24:56 PM
Did I miss a meeting about Vandervaart? You'd swear he was Nelson, Ellenwood, and Gorman wrapped up in one neat little bundle. He's a good player, but come on...it's not like Wooster did horribly without him.

I wasn't claiming that Vandervaart is the second coming of Bryan Nelson, but he does give the Scots a much more legitimate inside threat on the offensive end. Evan Will has done admirably in Tim's absence and is probably a better defender, but he is too inconsistent offensively. The inside game that Vandervaart brings makes it that much harder to deal with the plethora of shooters on the perimiter. My point was just that the Scots are a better team with Vandervaart than without him.

Quote from: wally_wabash on February 22, 2007, 04:24:56 PMI'm inclined to believe that Witt is in if and only if they win the NCAC auto bid. The numbers just aren't in Wittenberg's favor. Losing that game against Allegheny did a ton of damage to Witt with respect to the selection criteria. The reality is that the records in our conference don't lend themselves well to high QoWIs. The margin of error for teams in our league is really pretty small.

Absoultely. Witt's done if they don't win the NCAC tourney. I'd love for them to make it, but not at the Scots' expense!

wally_wabash · February 22, 2007, 05:11:38 PM

Quote from: cmhscots on February 22, 2007, 04:37:51 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on February 22, 2007, 04:24:56 PMI'm inclined to believe that Witt is in if and only if they win the NCAC auto bid. The numbers just aren't in Wittenberg's favor. Losing that game against Allegheny did a ton of damage to Witt with respect to the selection criteria. The reality is that the records in our conference don't lend themselves well to high QoWIs. The margin of error for teams in our league is really pretty small.

Absoultely. Witt's done if they don't win the NCAC tourney. I'd love for them to make it, but not at the Scots' expense!

I don't think you have much to worry about. The Scots look like a lock for at-large selection should it come to that. Unless of course the NCAA forgets to carry a 1 somewhere...

Li'l Giant · February 22, 2007, 05:26:01 PM

Quote from: wally_wabash on February 22, 2007, 05:11:38 PM
Quote from: cmhscots on February 22, 2007, 04:37:51 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on February 22, 2007, 04:24:56 PMI'm inclined to believe that Witt is in if and only if they win the NCAC auto bid. The numbers just aren't in Wittenberg's favor. Losing that game against Allegheny did a ton of damage to Witt with respect to the selection criteria. The reality is that the records in our conference don't lend themselves well to high QoWIs. The margin of error for teams in our league is really pretty small.

Absoultely. Witt's done if they don't win the NCAC tourney. I'd love for them to make it, but not at the Scots' expense!

I don't think you have much to worry about. The Scots look like a lock for at-large selection should it come to that. Unless of course the NCAA forgets to carry a 1 somewhere...

Let's face it, the only way the Scots are in danger is if they lose to Wabash. What are the odds of that?

pennstghs · February 22, 2007, 06:50:54 PM

guys anything can happen. wittenberg has been up against the wall all season. no one thought they could compete this year after losing 4 starters, no one thought they would be as good after caraway got hurt, but time and time again they have risen to the occasion. who's to say they won't do that again. I think its ridiculous for a team to have 4 losses all year and probably at this point in time wouldn't be in the tournament.