MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[David Collinge]

Never going to be persuaded?  Agreed.
Continue until the end of time?  No, I think he'll give up, at least as far as this forum is continued.

I hope Denison turns it around and becomes a consistently competitve team in the NCAC.  I hope that DenisonFan and CentralOH and TheRed others interested in DU hoops will still be here, watching the Big Red and reporting on them and providing insight the way Earlhamalum and CMHScotsFan and smedindy et alia do for their teams.  I hope this tempest in a teapot will result in a permanent Denison presence on this board. 

I also hope for peace on earth, an end to hunger, and a World Series title for the Cleveland Professional Baseball Club before I die.    

[smedindy]

We have hope, and we shall see. Denison definitely could be a permanently decent team. They have the resources for sure to compete. If 'Gheny, Denison and Kenyon can all be consistent, then the NCAC would be a pretty darn good league year after year and not have Wooster or Witt just annointed for the title, even with Oberlin and Hiram.

I know others have met Wooster and Witt in the conference finals in recent years, but usually it's one or t'other or both that are locks.

[CentralOH]

Much like TheRed, I am not typically a poster on any forum, but DF's oversimplification of the situation and unending badgering of Coach Ghiloni are more than I can take.  At the same time he has repeatedly mentioned Hodgkinson, Hern and Izzo like they are All-Americans.  They certainly have some natural ability, but how much better have they made themselves since arriving in Granville?  I'm sure that DF will see that as reinforcement of his take on Ghiloni's lack of coaching prowess, but in my opinion, it's an indictment of the big three's combined lack of a true work ethic.

As far as recruiting goes, what makes DF think the north shore of Chicago is the only place to uncover talent?  Like all major metropolitan areas there are some great players, but if heart is a factor, give me an Ohio or Indiana kid (heck I'd even take a kid from that state up north or one from western PA over some of the headcases that have found their way to DU).

[smedindy]

I'm surprised that more Indiana kids aren't recruited by the Ohio schools, but then there are a lot of Indiana options for players, so they tend to stay home.

[ScotsFan]

Since you played and you are soooooo tight with the team.  Do me a HUGE favor and contact
Hern, Hodgkinson, and Izzo and get their take.  Because I am obviously full of crap.  I need you to hear from your x teammates about their take on what is going on this year.

Then when you are done with those three, contact Julian, Harris and Wagnor.  I am sure they will give you the "real" story of why they left the program.

Then come back here and tell be what they said.  Why do I think that you won't do this??
Because you won't like what they say??

DenisonFan, am I missing something here?  What could have possibly changed from last year when TheRed was on the team, to this year now that he's not there?  Suddenly the entire team now has a change of heart because they have started this year equally as poor as last year?  Do you somehow have inside information as to why the players that quit did so?  Players quit all the time in DIII athletics and its not always because they are disgruntled with the coach.  So instead of calling out former players that actually know what's going on in Coach Ghiloni's system, let's see you back up some of your statements with some facts DenisonFan.

[imderekpoe]

My apologies if this has been posted here previously, but I noticed a link on Wooster's web site to an article on Kyle Witucky that was printed in the Zanesville Times Recorder on 12/20.

http://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051220/SPORTS/512200305/1006

The article mentions several of the points that were posted here a few weeks back regarding Kyle's unselfishness and how his contributions to the Scots go far beyond what you see in the boxscore.

[Vanilla24COW]

The great thing about that article is that it gives a true description of what Witucky is all about. So many times fans get so into the numbers game (driven by the media) that they often take for granted the intregal things that players bring to the team such as Witucky. I know one thing the Wooster fans are grateful that he chose to come to Wooster and will truly miss watching #20 step on the court next year...good luck this weekend SCOTS do the NCAC proud

[CentralOH]

Great story on Witucky.  He's the kind of guy you want on your team and to compete against.  A winner, plain and simple.

[goscots]

On Vacation, so I put this together. (I have yet to play with tables so I hope this posts OK)

Team         Record             Opponent Record                   Opponent Record
                                          in Wins                                   in Loses

Alleghany     5-4                   11-31                                     24-12
Denison        2-8                   10-7                                       46-27
Earlham        4-6                   10-25                                     40-15
Hiram            2-6                   2-17                                       32-20
Kenyon         3-5                   5-21                                       27-19
Oberlin         0-10                  ----                                         59-28
OWU             6-3                   15-38                                      23-7
Wabash       6-3                     18-37                                     20-9
Wittenberg  8-1                     46-31                                       9-0
Wooster      9-0                      32-51                                    -----

Clearly Witt has beaten the toughest set of opponents and I would say Earlham has played a very tough schedule also, losing a number of close games. Wooster has beaten two ranked teams, Earlham away, and gets a shot at a third ranked team tommorrow, but the rest of the schedule has been relatively easy.

[DenisonFan]

I am sooooooooo happy everyone enjoys dumbing on my head.
I'm a man, I can take the heat.  Believe me, if Denison starts winning some games I might go away.  But until then I will continue to question the methods being used.

As far as Chicago area kids.  My only point was that Ghiloni did not do anything to get them to
Denison.  Nothing more.  All DIII programs are on a very limited budget and can do only so much. 

As far as Hodgkinson, Hern and Izzo having no talent or limited talent is your opinion.  But since that is all the Big Red has perhaps Ghiloni should try and exploit them as much as he can.  I know, he does.  So forget that point.

As far as the ex-teammate contacting his former teammates.  Why is that so outrageous?  I just thought he would get the real story.   All I have is rumor why guys left.  Maybe they just didn't want to play anylonger.  That was not the word in the stands but that doesn't mean it is true.  So let THERED straighten it out for me.  I don't care that he loves Ghiloni.  That is great.   I don't hate Ghiloni.  And several of my fellow posters have made some very valid points.

But PLEASE remember, this is what this sight is all about.  It seems to me that many of you are taking it way too seriously.  I'm having fun and enjoy all your responses.

Let's see how Denison does this weekend in Cleveland.  I will need some new material.

[smedindy]

I bet Denison splits this weekend. Alfred has a winning record but looks beatable. Alma has won a few games in a row, but the competition has been weak and they looked mediocre at best against Wabash. Case looks tough. So Denison, I bet, finishes second or third.

[ScotsFan]

Speaking of Alfred, there was an article in the Wooster Daily Record today on  former Wooster HS standout Rob McCarter who attended the COW his freshman year (played JV) and decided to transfer to Alfred after his freshman year.  He is now in his junior year and is currently 4th on the team in scoring at 12.6 ppg.  Sounds like he may have been buried in the depth chart behind all of the guards at Wooster and he saw a better opportunity at Alfred and he is doing very well. 

Also, there was a nice writeup in yesterday's paper on Marty Bidwell.  Apparently he had offers to play football at some pretty good DI schools, but they wanted him to switch from RB to LB.  He was pretty set on wanting to play hoops in college so he focused on smaller schools.  Wooster was actually recruiting him to play football as well.  He contemplated playing both, but apparantly was convinced to stick with one or the other.  Personally, I'm glad Coach Moore won out over Coach Schmitz.

[wally_wabash]

Believe me, if Denison starts winning some games I might go away. 

Suddenly I just became a huge Big Red fan. 

[David Collinge]

Final
Hiram 91
St. Olaf 88

Go Pups! 

[earlhamalum]

         MY NCAC Top 10 Players in the Conference as of Today. (based on stats)


Order means nothing

All... Casey McCloskey- 16.4 PPG, 46% Fg(47-101), 47% 3pt(16-34), 30.7 MPG, 3.6 RPG, 45 Assist and 30 T.O's.

All... Mat Majzlik- 21.4 PPG, 60% Fg(65-108), 26.7 MPG, 7.7 RBG, 4 Assist, 17 T.O's.
(waterboy do u know why he hasn't played in 3 games this year?)

Den...Dan Hodgkinson- 15,1 PPG, 57% Fg(57-100), 28.5 MPG, 5.9 RPG, 1.3 SPG

Earl...Markous Jewett- 17.4 PPG, 55% Fg(59-108), 50% 3pt(13-26), 73% FTs,
5.6 RPG, 19 Assist, 23 T.O's.

Earl... LaRon Henry- 16.9 PPG, 60% Fg(63-106), 69% 3pt(16-23), 73% FTs,
3.2 RPG

Wab...Kyle Medeiros- 12.1 PPG, 48% Fg(42-88), 40% 3pt(14-35), 73% FTs,
28.1 MPG, 2.8 RPG, 23 Assist, 16 T.O's.

Witt...Dan Russ- 15.3 PPG, 58% Fg(49-84), 80% FTs, 26.5 MPG, 5.1 RPG,
26.5 MPG, 16 Assist, 13 T.O's.

Woo... James Cooper- 20.9 PPG, 54% Fg(73-136), 40 3pt(19-47), 79% FTs,
27.7 MPG, 2.7 RPG, 27 Assist, 18 T.O's.

Woo...Tom Port- 19.1 PPG, 51% Fg(64-125), 43% 3PT(20-47), 77% FTs
30.3 MPG, 5.2 RPG, 27 Assist, 14 T.O's

10th.... I'll leave this one up for debate... i'm sure people will have valid statements that will help me pick my 10th guy.