MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

wooscotsfan · February 14, 2009, 09:15:08 PM

All the 2/14 NCAC Final Scores in one list:

Ohio Wesleyan 64 Earlham 46
Allegheny 62 Kenyon 61
Wabash 63 Oberlin 61
Hiram 70 Denison 68
Wooster 67 Wittenberg 53

wooscotsfan · February 14, 2009, 09:18:59 PM

Current NCAC Standings thru 2/14 Games:

1. Wooster 12-2, 17-6
1. Ohio Wesleyan 12-2, 16-6
3. Hiram 10-4, 15-8
4. Kenyon 8-6, 14-9
4. Wittenberg 8-6, 11-11
6. Allegheny 6-8, 10-13
7. Wabash 5-9, 10-12
8. Denison 4-10, 7-16
9. Earlham 3-11, 3-20
10. Oberlin 2-12, 5-18

David Collinge · February 14, 2009, 09:24:36 PM

Quote from: wooscotsfan on February 14, 2009, 09:18:59 PM
Current NCAC Standings thru 2/14 Games:

4. Kenyon 8-6, 14-9
4. Wittenberg 8-6, 11-11
6. Allegheny 6-8, 10-13
7. Wabash 5-9, 10-12
8. Denison 4-10, 7-16
9. Earlham 3-11, 3-20
10. Oberlin 2-12, 5-18

If anyone is concerned that the rampaging Gators may break into the Dorksen 5, please be advised that their last two games are vs. Wooster and at Ohio Wesleyan.

Everyone is still alive for a tournament berth. Oberlin could catch Denison, and they hold the tiebreaker with the Big Red if the tie is for 8th place. (If it's for 9th place, the tiebreaker would be a coin toss, but it wouldn't matter since both would miss the tournament.)

DarkSide-D · February 14, 2009, 09:46:46 PM

Just a little fun facts for everyone. This is only the fourth time Woo has swept Witt in the regular season since the 1990-91 season. Given the rivalry between Woo-Witt, I think this makes Witt extremely dangerous if Woo meets them again in the NCAC tournament. This led me to take a look back at the history.

Witt swept Woo in regular season 6 times during that span (93-93, 95-96,, 96-97, 00-01, 01-02, 03-04). Woo beat Witt three of those years in the NCAC tournament (96-97, 00-01, 03-04). One of those years, Witt won the tournament (01-02). The other two years, Woo and Witt did not play in the NCAC.

Woo, as I said, swept Witt four times during this span (94-95, 99-00, 05-06, 08-09). During those years, Woo only played Witt once in the NCAC (05-06) and lost.

Only once during this period did a team make a clean sweep by beating the other team three times in a single season (Witt, 01-02). By the way, the scores that year were 75-70, 68-66, and 58-57 (NCAC).

Of course, this does not mean Woo and Witt will play again in the NCAC, but they did meet in the NCAC in 9 seasons since 90-91. If this year becomes the tenth, I don't like the odds for Woo.

DarkSide-D · February 14, 2009, 09:50:02 PM

And, if we wanted to make the numbers more interesting, Woo and Witt only played once during the regular season in 90-91. But when they met in the NCAC, Witt won the game.

smedindy · February 15, 2009, 12:09:23 AM

Video of the Smith drive is here:

http://www.wabash.edu/sports/docs/basketballstats/video/200809/OberlinHighlights.mov

Seemed there was some contact. The fans and the scorers table seemed to be screened from the action a bit by their angle but this view does show contact during the drive.

Also, it clearly shows that after the free throws, Oberlin had a good chance to break the press but threw the ball away.

Somehow if the NCAC refs were conspiring against someone I don't think they'd choose a game between two teams cemented below the Dorksen five.

wally_wabash · February 15, 2009, 12:21:30 AM

I've got to believe that the OC SID may want to make some editorial changes to the posted web story. It's pretty clear that a foul was committed there.

One mystery solved, one to go. What's with Wabash busting out the home whites at Oberlin?

M.Knapke · February 15, 2009, 09:17:56 AM

Can Visitors wear white on the road?
Ahead things are really looking balanced.

12/3 12/3 10/5 9/6 8/7 7/8 6/9 5/10 3/12 3/12

LGHistorian · February 15, 2009, 12:42:05 PM

The Oberlin women's basketball team unveiled new pink jerseys for their game and it was in conjunction with a fundraising event for a local cancer organization. The Earlham seniors on the men's team requested that they wear their traditional road uniform for their final regular season home game and in support of what the Oberlin women were doing. And Wabash went along with it and therefore had to wear the traditional home whites. Brent Harris mentioned this at the start of the radio broadcast.

By the way, "bad officiating" is truly in the eye of the beholder during the last few seconds of this game. I remember Brent saying that Coach Petty yelled for a timeout as soon as Smith made his second free throw and the referees did not grant (or hear) Petty. Obviously Wabash wanted to set up the defense against Oberlin's final shot but Oberlin obliged by throwing away the basketball before they could get a shot off.

nicevilledave · February 15, 2009, 02:29:29 PM

re: officiating

Can anyone provide a short tutorial on NCAC referees?

For instance: Any experience or extra quals required to call NCAC games?
Who controls and assigns them? Does anyone grade them?

Thanks, nd

wally_wabash · February 15, 2009, 02:52:18 PM

Quote from: LGHistorian on February 15, 2009, 12:42:05 PM
The Oberlin women's basketball team unveiled new pink jerseys for their game and it was in conjunction with a fundraising event for a local cancer organization. The Earlham seniors on the men's team requested that they wear their traditional road uniform for their final regular season home game and in support of what the Oberlin women were doing. And Wabash went along with it and therefore had to wear the traditional home whites. Brent Harris mentioned this at the start of the radio broadcast.

Mystery #2 solved. Cool stuff and I hope Oberlin's fundraising efforts were successful.

David Collinge · February 16, 2009, 11:14:03 AM

Seeding updates:
#1 seed: Wooster owns the tie-breaker with OWU, by virtue of their sweep of Hiram.

#3 seed: Hiram will be the #3 seed. They lose tie-breakers to Wooster (head-to-head), OWU (record vs. would-be first place Wooster), and three-way (head-to-head). They win tie-breakers with Wittenberg (head-to-head), Kenyon (boils down to Hiram's win at OWU, where KC lost), and a three-way tie is not possible.

#4: Kenyon and Wittenberg are the only teams that can earn the #4 seed. Wittenberg owns all possible tie-breakers with the Lords, so the only way Kenyon grabs the #4 seed is by beating the Tigers in Springfield on Saturday AND either a) beating Hiram on Weds. or b) Wabash beating Witt on Wed. (or both).

#5: Allegheny could finish in a tie with either Wittenberg or Kenyon at 8-8 (but not both, since either Witt or KC must finish with at least 9 wins.) Wittenberg swept the Gators and would the tie-breaker, but 'Gheny would win a tie-breaker with Kenyon based on composite record vs. teams ahead of them (like games only.) So if 'Gheny wins out and Kenyon loses out, Kenyon drops to #6 with AC at #5 traveling to meet #4 Wittenberg.

#6 seed: Wabash owns the tie-breaker with Allegheny (head-to-head). Allegheny owns the tie-breaker with Denison (composite record vs. teams ahead of them in the standings; boils down to AC's wins over Hiram and Kenyon, each of whom swept DU.) The winner of next Saturday's Wabash/Denison game would also win a tie-breaker between them (Denison sweep, or Wabash better record vs. teams ahead of them, namely Wooster). A three-way tie would fall out as Denison, then Wabash, then Allegheny.

#7 seed: (Wabash vs. Denison as above.) Denison holds the tie-breaker with Earlham, either by head-to-head (if the Big Red beat the Quakers Wed.) or by better record vs. the teams above them. Wabash wins a tie with EC based on records vs. teams above them. A three-way tie would favor Denison, then EC, then Wabash...which means that Wabash could still miss the tournament by losing their last two games.

#8 seed: (Denison vs. Earlham as above.) Earlham owns the tie-breaker with Oberlin (sweep.) Oberlin would have the tie-breaker vs. Denison, based on record vs. teams ahead of them, provided Earlham finishes last. A three-way tie would put Earlham into the #8 seed, with Denison 9th and Oberlin last, based on head-to-head.

David Collinge · February 16, 2009, 11:23:54 AM

Congratulations to Wabash's Wes Smith, the first player to win the NCAC Player of the Week for a second time this season. Smith, who was also named POTY back on Dec. 1, shot the lights out this week, first with 31 in the power-failure-shortened game vs. Earlham, then 20 more at Oberlin. Congratulations, Wes!

smedindy · February 16, 2009, 11:36:58 AM

David, you're a better man than I.

smedindy · February 16, 2009, 03:30:20 PM

If the 11-11 Tigers lose to three of four, it will be the first time since the 1955-56 season that they will have had a losing record. Heck, they've only had five seasons of 10 losses (and one .500 season) since that time!

It could happen. Wabash on the road, IU-East (no longer making fun...), Kenyon and perhaps Kenyon again in an NCAC playoff match.

Next thing you know, Linfield will be 4-5 in football!