MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[ScotsFan]

I would tend to disagree with the Regional Rankings as well. Witt nowhere in the Top Ten is a joke and Penn State Behrend ranked number one, although I know nothing about them at all. History proves that teams from that conference haven't done so well in the NCAA tournament (i.e. Lake Erie College vs Witt)(PSU-Behrend vs Witt) in years past.

The poll that is put together by knightslappy on the GL Region board is just the regional RPI rankings that are based on SOS numbers.  This is only one of the criteria that the regional rankings committees use when they release their NCAA regional rankings. 

As for the one sac posted, that is strictly based on win percentage.  PSU-B had the highest win percentage in the GL Region at 10-2.  But the Lions sufferred their 3rd in-region loss last night at home to a bad Fransiscan team.  So as it stands, Witt is #2 behind Calvin in GL regional win-percentage.

[KnightSlappy]

PSU-B had the highest win percentage in the GL Region at 10-2.  But the Lions sufferred their 3rd in-region loss last night at home to a bad Fransiscan team.  So as it stands, Witt is #2 behind Calvin in GL regional win-percentage.

I believe Franciscan is still an out-of-region-provisional so PSU-B is not hurt by that loss (and a very bad loss is was).

I would tend to disagree with the Regional Rankings as well. Witt nowhere in the Top Ten is a joke and Penn State Behrend ranked number one, although I know nothing about them at all. History proves that teams from that conference haven't done so well in the NCAA tournament (i.e. Lake Erie College vs Witt)(PSU-Behrend vs Witt) in years past.

The big problem for Wittenberg (who IS ranked 10th) in the regional rankings is their strength of schedule, which ranks as the 33rd toughest (or 11th easiest) in the region. They still have to play Wooster and Wabash twice, which should help their schedule difficulty.

[Gregory Sager]

While I grant that their schedule has not exactly been 'killers row', and getting blown out by Hiram is embarrassing, it mystifies me how the winningest program in d3, at 13-2 with an 8 game winning streak, can have ZERO points in the d3hoops.com poll!

I only had them 24th on my Posters' Poll ballot (Woo 25th), but still.

If the winningest program in D3 isn't getting votes, then it means that the voters are doing their jobs -- which is to vote on this year's Top 25, not 1990's Top 25 or 1970's Top 25 or 1930's Top 25.

[wally_wabash]

Slappy-

A while ago you posted a table with OWPs, OOWPs, RPIs and the like for the NCAC.  Is there a site where I can look that info up, or is this something that you're tracking on your own? 

[ScotsFan]

PSU-B had the highest win percentage in the GL Region at 10-2.  But the Lions sufferred their 3rd in-region loss last night at home to a bad Fransiscan team.  So as it stands, Witt is #2 behind Calvin in GL regional win-percentage.

I believe Franciscan is still an out-of-region-provisional so PSU-B is not hurt by that loss (and a very bad loss is was).

Oops.  Missed that Fransiscan is still a provisional DIII affiliate.  Personally, I think it's just a matter of time before PSU-B is exposed by some of the better teams in the AMCC.

[KnightSlappy]

Slappy-

A while ago you posted a table with OWPs, OOWPs, RPIs and the like for the NCAC.  Is there a site where I can look that info up, or is this something that you're tracking on your own? 

I'm tracking it on my own, but I'll get another NCAC update posted on here this afternoon/evening if you'd like.

PSU-B had the highest win percentage in the GL Region at 10-2.  But the Lions sufferred their 3rd in-region loss last night at home to a bad Fransiscan team.  So as it stands, Witt is #2 behind Calvin in GL regional win-percentage.

I believe Franciscan is still an out-of-region-provisional so PSU-B is not hurt by that loss (and a very bad loss is was).

Oops.  Missed that Fransiscan is still a provisional DIII affiliate.  Personally, I think it's just a matter of time before PSU-B is exposed by some of the better teams in the AMCC.

I hold the same opinion, although they played a very tough game with Medaille early in the year.

[wally_wabash]

Slappy-

A while ago you posted a table with OWPs, OOWPs, RPIs and the like for the NCAC.  Is there a site where I can look that info up, or is this something that you're tracking on your own? 

I'm tracking it on my own, but I'll get another NCAC update posted on here this afternoon/evening if you'd like.

That would be great if you get a chance.  Much love for fellow stat geeks.   

[KnightSlappy]

Slappy-

A while ago you posted a table with OWPs, OOWPs, RPIs and the like for the NCAC.  Is there a site where I can look that info up, or is this something that you're tracking on your own? 

I'm tracking it on my own, but I'll get another NCAC update posted on here this afternoon/evening if you'd like.

Well, I had a quick minute so I just went ahead and did it.

WP, OWP, and OOWP are for in-region contests only.

REG  Rank   Team         WP       OWP    OOWP     RPI   NAT   CON Status    REG   OVR
GL   4    Wooster       .7857   .4808   .5357   .5707   072   1   A         11-3  11-4
GL   10   Wittenberg    .8182   .4462   .4994   .5525   110   2   C   070   9-2   13-2
GL   17   Wabash        .6923   .4539   .4915   .5229   164   3   C   121   9-4   9-5
GL   18   Ohio Wesleyan .3846   .5974   .4758   .5138   183   4   C   138   5-8   6-9
GL   22   Allegheny     .4000   .5565   .4828   .4990   215   5   C   167   4-6   6-8
GL   25   Hiram         .5385   .4356   .4887   .4746   261   6   C   208   7-6   7-8
GL   34   Kenyon        .2500   .4895   .4771   .4265   330   7   C   274   3-9   4-10
GL   37   Denison       .2143   .4790   .4747   .4118   350   8   C   292   3-11  3-12
GL   39   Earlham       .2308   .4610   .4705   .4058   359   9   C   298   3-10  3-12
GL   40   Oberlin       .2857   .3974   .4663   .3867   374   10  C   309   4-10  4-11

Rank = Rank in region
NAT  = Rank in country
Status: C # = Rank in Pool C.

[David Collinge]

Thanks, Dean. 

We hear a lot about how tough Wooster's schedule is (and it has been, no doubt), but look at what OWU and to a lesser extent Allegheny have gone up against.  Of course, one of Wooster's tougher games (UST) was extraregional and thus not reflected above, but then again so was OWU's game vs. WashU.  The Bishops are battle-tested, and I think they may be on the verge of pulling it all together and going on a run. 

GL   40   Oberlin       .2857   .3974   .4663   .3867   374   10  C   309   4-10  4-11

"C" is not a letter I associate with Oberlin, in any context.

[wally_wabash]

David, if I didn't know better I'd think that you are the Bishop.   

[ScotsFan]

I hold the same opinion, although they played a very tough game with Medaille early in the year.

Yes, but FWIW, I'm not convinced Medaille is all that either.

[ScotsFan]

The Bishops are battle-tested, and I think they may be on the verge of pulling it all together and going on a run. 

How much longer are you going to hold out hope for the Bishops putting it all together. 

[KnightSlappy]

I hold the same opinion, although they played a very tough game with Medaille early in the year.

Yes, but FWIW, I'm not convinced Medaille is all that either.

Fair enough, but then who are the 'better teams in the AMCC' that will expose PSU-Behrend?

[David Collinge]

The Bishops are battle-tested, and I think they may be on the verge of pulling it all together and going on a run. 

How much longer are you going to hold out hope for the Bishops putting it all together. 

  I keep expecting Hiram to live up to their potential, too.  What can I say; ever the optimist, I suppose.

[pennstghs]

Mr. Sager - the point you made about a team with a high historical winning percentage not getting votes should be exactly why a team such as WOOSTER should not be ranked. You shouldn't get benefit of the doubt votes for losses versus tough teams. My point was that Wittenberg should at least be getting votes based on their performance THIS year.

OWU is a gritty team, but like I said before they have a lot of matchups that teams can exploit, such as guard oriented offeenses having their way