MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[GoRed]

For anyone who cares:

     Mt. St. Joseph  73    Denison  72

In a tight game that shouldn't have been tight, Ghiloni can't find a way to get his leading scorer more than one shot in the last 6 minutes.   What should have been an easy win - even without Farmer - turns to the 4th loss in a row.

Coaching, coaching, coaching. 

[smedindy]

Want to know why, Wallace?  Because I knew if it was my post that mentioned it, I'd be the target of one of your snide remarks.

There were twenty-plus students, in a group, mostly without shirts, and covered in some sort of white powder.  Mostly pretty big guys, and overweight; many looked like they could be linemen.  Security had to talk to them several times before the game and possibly during it.  They were loud and  overly obnoxious.  At least one of them, during a timeout, continually yelled over to the Wooster fans, calling someone out to meet him outside.  No official presence stepped in to stop this.  

I've seen similar stuff before, at various places, including Wooster by Wooster students.  This was among the worst.

Yawn. At Chadwick, we call this Wednesday night against Hiram!



Seriously, I think these OWU guys were trying to be a Wabash equivalent.

[WAlum]

Red - even if the loss was due to coaching, D3 coaches dont get fired for losing or being lazy. All they have to do is stay out of trouble.  Ws and Ls dont matter.

For anyone who cares:

     Mt. St. Joseph  73    Denison  72

In a tight game that shouldn't have been tight, Ghiloni can't find a way to get his leading scorer more than one shot in the last 6 minutes.   What should have been an easy win - even without Farmer - turns to the 4th loss in a row.

Coaching, coaching, coaching. 

[wooscotsfan]

Final:  Hiram 65  Grove City 54

So, the NCAC is now 30-24 in nonconference games.

[woosterbooster]

Final:  Hiram 65  Grove City 54

So, the NCAC is now 30-24 in nonconference games.

The records of each NCAC team's non-conference opponents:

Wittenberg: 26-17
Allegheny: 27-21
Wabash: 31-27
Ohio Wesleyan: 33-29
Denison: 17-20
Wooster: 16-24
Hiram: 27-38
Kenyon: 21-36
Oberlin: 14-32

Overall: 212-244

[David Collinge]

Are you making a point about Hiram that I'm failing to understand?

[woosterbooster]

No.  I'm pointing out that it's very late here, and that due to fatigue my post was incorrect the first two times (and may still be  ).  Check it out now.

[seinfeld]

Wooster Booster,

I don't know where you got the Wooster numbers, but the Scots non-conference opponents overall record right now is 35-21. Throw out Cincinnati Christian and William Carey, those games are meaningless in what really matters -- determining your regional ranking and eventually bid/seeding in the NCAA tournament. Now, the 35-21 record probably isn't telling the complete story either, since this may include some non-Div. III opponents/non-region opponents. But all that matters is that Wooster's non-conference schedule is as strong as it has ever been since the NCAA went to the criteria it now uses to select tournament teams. Throw in that the NCAC as a whole is better this year than it has been in a while, and Wooster's schedule (along with that of Wabash, Witt, etc.) will actually work in their favor for a change, instead of it being a hindrance like it has been in recent years.

** I'm including the records of teams that Wooster has yet to play, but they will, and that's all that matters, since this is just a snapshot of what their strength of schedule will look like at the end of the year -- the only time it matters.

[smedindy]

For anyone who cares:

     Mt. St. Joseph  73    Denison  72

In a tight game that shouldn't have been tight, Ghiloni can't find a way to get his leading scorer more than one shot in the last 6 minutes.   What should have been an easy win - even without Farmer - turns to the 4th loss in a row.

Coaching, coaching, coaching. 

Was Hale asking for the ball? Was MSJ over playing him and leaving others open?

It seemed like both teams kind of slowed it down a bit the last few minutes looking at the PBP. Sometimes you need to go to your second or third scoring option down the stretch. This is college hoops - everyone on the team should be able to score if left open.

[GoRed]

Was Hale asking for the ball? Was MSJ over playing him and leaving others open?

It seemed like both teams kind of slowed it down a bit the last few minutes looking at the PBP. Sometimes you need to go to your second or third scoring option down the stretch. This is college hoops - everyone on the team should be able to score if left open.

Good points, Smedindy.  They did seem to slow up late in the game and the Big Red noticeably passed up open shots early in the shot clock.  Anyone should be able to score, but I have seen many a good shot passed up over the years and this game was no exception.  Denison players know the repercussions of taking the shots earlier than "the system" calls for.  They therefore pass up good open shots early on and end up forcing something late just before the clock expires. 

This was the end of a tough scheduling stretch for the Big Red, taking on Wooster, Witt and Hiram in consecutive games and now without Farmer for a while.  Hopefully they can bounce back to where they were before after the holiday break.  Enjoy the holidays everyone! 

[woosterbooster]

Wooster Booster,

I don't know where you got the Wooster numbers, but the Scots non-conference opponents overall record right now is 35-21. Throw out Cincinnati Christian and William Carey, those games are meaningless in what really matters -- determining your regional ranking and eventually bid/seeding in the NCAA tournament. Now, the 35-21 record probably isn't telling the complete story either, since this may include some non-Div. III opponents/non-region opponents. But all that matters is that Wooster's non-conference schedule is as strong as it has ever been since the NCAA went to the criteria it now uses to select tournament teams. Throw in that the NCAC as a whole is better this year than it has been in a while, and Wooster's schedule (along with that of Wabash, Witt, etc.) will actually work in their favor for a change, instead of it being a hindrance like it has been in recent years.

** I'm including the records of teams that Wooster has yet to play, but they will, and that's all that matters, since this is just a snapshot of what their strength of schedule will look like at the end of the year -- the only time it matters.

The numbers are from the Massey site.  They do not include the records of future opponents.  My point was to see how meaningful the NCAC's non-conference won-lost record is at this time.  Still, in looking at it this morning, I see that Wooster's numbers should be 18-24, not 16-24.  I think what I've mostly accomplished here is that I shouldn't attempt to do mental addition after midnight.

[David Collinge]

GoRed, what's the matter with Larry Farmer?

[wally_wabash]

Denison players know the repercussions of taking the shots earlier than "the system" calls for. 

Everybody knows how many times to pass before you shoot, right?

[ScotsFan]

GoRed, what's the matter with Larry Farmer?

I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but Farmer looked to dislocate a finger in his shooting hand in their game at Wooster.  He came out of the locker room after halftime with his hand taped up and tried to go, but he clearly wasn't as effective as he had been before the injury.

But, I don't know if he's still having trouble with that injury or if something else has come up since then?

[GoRed]

David - Larry is on the sidelines with a bandaged finger on his right hand - details are sketchy.  It's presumably broken or dislocated, but there is no word on how long he is out.

Wally - time is a precious asset we should never seek to waste.  I enjoy it when a team savors the time it has with the ball.