MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

I'm interested to see how many Moores suit up for UPB after their dad was fired.

[zander]

they are no longer on the roster

[wooscotsfan]

they are no longer on the roster

Yes, with the Coach fired and the 3 Moore's (combined 35+ pts/game) now off the roster of a 5-5 team, Wittenberg should have smooth sailing in tomorrow's game.

[David Collinge]

The play-by-play is of no help in figuring out this game.  It shows a halftime score of 54-51 COW, which was reset to 42-36 (correct score) to start the second half.  Then it shows Baruch's Tammer Farid hitting a three with 0:03 left to tie the game at 67, and the game ends at that impossible score.  

Baruch had the good sense to lop the play-by-play off of the box score* on their site, with this note:

Statistics Note: Play-by-Play not available in box scores this weekend, due to a statistics program issue courtside at the games.

They do have a brief game recap on their site, which confirms that the final shot (presumably by Farid) was missed.

*The box score, same on both sites, is also clearly flawed.  It shows, for example, Baruch hitting 18 of 45 FGs in the first half, with Wooster connecting on 21 of 42.  87 FGAs in 20 minutes has to be a record for games not involving Grinnell.  But Wooster did lead the game at the half by a score of 42-36, or in mathematical terms (21x2) - (18x2), so perhaps accurate stats can be backed into by someone willing to give more effort than I am.  Baruch's game recap relies on some of these flawed stats; for example they note that Baruch shot a blistering 69% in the second half, hitting 9 of 13 shots, but that can only produce their second-half total of 41 points if they spent a LOT of time at the free throw line.  It looks to me like the overall totals and player stats are probably correct, but those broken down by half are not, and neither are the statistical categories like "last FG" and "largest lead", and probably things like "points in the paint" as well.

[David Collinge]

they are no longer on the roster

Yes, with the Coach fired and the 3 Moore's (combined 35+ pts/game) now off the roster of a 5-5 team, Wittenberg should have smooth sailing in tomorrow's game.

It goes beyond that, though.  I know nothing at all about UPB, but I wonder how close the players were to the coach, and how motivated they will be in this game.  Or alternatively, how motivated they might be to make a statement to their AD about her handling of the situation. 

Pennstghs, are you going to be at the game?

[wooscotsfan]

The play-by-play is of no help in figuring out this game.  It shows a halftime score of 54-51 COW, which was reset to 42-36 (correct score) to start the second half.  Then it shows Baruch's Tammer Farid hitting a three with 0:03 left to tie the game at 67, and the game ends at that impossible score.

Baruch had the good sense to lop the play-by-play off of the box score on their site, with this note:

Statistics Note: Play-by-Play not available in box scores this weekend, due to a statistics program issue courtside at the games.

They do have a brief game recap on their site, which confirms that the final shot (presumably by Farid) was missed.

Play by Play was wrong very early in the game as the actual score was tied 4-4 and Play by Play shows 2-6!  

[woosterbooster]

they are no longer on the roster

Yes, with the Coach fired and the 3 Moore's (combined 35+ pts/game) now off the roster of a 5-5 team, Wittenberg should have smooth sailing in tomorrow's game.

It goes beyond that, though.  I know nothing at all about UPB, but I wonder how close the players were to the coach, and how motivated they will be in this game.  Or alternatively, how motivated they might be to make a statement to their AD about her handling of the situation. 

Pennstghs, are you going to be at the game?

Does anyone know why the coach was fired, and why it was handled in this manner?  Very bizarre.

[woosterbooster]

And speaking of incorrect stats, those on the COW basketball web page are messed up, at least those of the bench players.  I've not looked through all the boxscores, but I know for sure that Doug Thorpe has been in more than the two games that the cumulative stats list him as playing.  I sent an email to their webmaster a couple of days ago.

[David Collinge]

they are no longer on the roster

Yes, with the Coach fired and the 3 Moore's (combined 35+ pts/game) now off the roster of a 5-5 team, Wittenberg should have smooth sailing in tomorrow's game.

It goes beyond that, though.  I know nothing at all about UPB, but I wonder how close the players were to the coach, and how motivated they will be in this game.  Or alternatively, how motivated they might be to make a statement to their AD about her handling of the situation.  

Pennstghs, are you going to be at the game?

Does anyone know why the coach was fired, and why it was handled in this manner?  Very bizarre.

Not beyond what is in the release on this site.  There's been several stories in the Olean Times Herald on this "fiasco" (their word), but most of those stories are hidden behind a subscription wall.  Maybe Ryan Maurer and his staff will be able to shed some light on this when they write up their game recap tomorrow night.

One of these stories, from 12/16, indicates that Coach Moore was suspended indefinitely due to his "conduct" in the 12/8 game vs. Medaille, and seems to suggest that the techincal foul he was assessed with 0:04 was a key component of that conduct.  Another story (12/22) notes that this is not the first time that UPB's AD and president have fired a coach due to "conduct" during a game; the women's coach was fired immediately after a game last season in which he received two techinicals.  Oddly, perhaps, the same man (Brian Sansom) was brought on as interim coach in both cases.

It's all quite peculiar.

[Pat Coleman]

they are no longer on the roster

Thanks. They were as of a couple days ago.

[Pat Coleman]

they are no longer on the roster

Yes, with the Coach fired and the 3 Moore's (combined 35+ pts/game) now off the roster of a 5-5 team, Wittenberg should have smooth sailing in tomorrow's game.

It goes beyond that, though.  I know nothing at all about UPB, but I wonder how close the players were to the coach, and how motivated they will be in this game.  Or alternatively, how motivated they might be to make a statement to their AD about her handling of the situation.  

Pennstghs, are you going to be at the game?

Does anyone know why the coach was fired, and why it was handled in this manner?  Very bizarre.

Not beyond what is in the release on this site.  There's been several stories in the Olean Times Herald on this "fiasco" (their word), but most of those stories are hidden behind a subscription wall.  Maybe Ryan Maurer and his staff will be able to shed some light on this when they write up their game recap tomorrow night.

One of these stories, from 12/16, indicates that Coach Moore was suspended indefinitely due to his "conduct" in the 12/8 game vs. Medaille, and seems to suggest that the techincal foul he was assessed with 0:04 was a key component of that conduct.  Another story (12/22) notes that this is not the first time that UPB's AD and president have fired a coach due to "conduct" during a game; the women's coach was fired immediately after a game last season in which he received two techinicals.  Oddly, perhaps, the same man (Brian Sansom) was brought on as interim coach in both cases.

It's all quite peculiar.

One of the stories I saw in researching our brief suggested that the only reason the technical was assessed was because the coach was on the floor arguing with his own AD. I couldn't substantiate that, though it fits the timeline.

[David Collinge]

Wooster now has a game story posted, and it doesn't seem to rely on the suspect stats (although it does reference ties and lead changes, which may or may not be accurate.)  Hugh gives a pretty good blow-by-blow of the final few possessions. 

[KnightSlappy]

they are no longer on the roster

Yes, with the Coach fired and the 3 Moore's (combined 35+ pts/game) now off the roster of a 5-5 team, Wittenberg should have smooth sailing in tomorrow's game.

It goes beyond that, though.  I know nothing at all about UPB, but I wonder how close the players were to the coach, and how motivated they will be in this game.  Or alternatively, how motivated they might be to make a statement to their AD about her handling of the situation.  

Pennstghs, are you going to be at the game?

Does anyone know why the coach was fired, and why it was handled in this manner?  Very bizarre.

Not beyond what is in the release on this site.  There's been several stories in the Olean Times Herald on this "fiasco" (their word), but most of those stories are hidden behind a subscription wall.  Maybe Ryan Maurer and his staff will be able to shed some light on this when they write up their game recap tomorrow night.

One of these stories, from 12/16, indicates that Coach Moore was suspended indefinitely due to his "conduct" in the 12/8 game vs. Medaille, and seems to suggest that the techincal foul he was assessed with 0:04 was a key component of that conduct.  Another story (12/22) notes that this is not the first time that UPB's AD and president have fired a coach due to "conduct" during a game; the women's coach was fired immediately after a game last season in which he received two techinicals.  Oddly, perhaps, the same man (Brian Sansom) was brought on as interim coach in both cases.

It's all quite peculiar.

One of the stories I saw in researching our brief suggested that the only reason the technical was assessed was because the coach was on the floor arguing with his own AD. I couldn't substantiate that, though it fits the timeline.

Sounds to me like the AD is the one with the issues.

[wooscotsfan]

Wooster now has a game story posted, and it doesn't seem to rely on the suspect stats (although it does reference ties and lead changes, which may or may not be accurate.)  Hugh gives a pretty good blow-by-blow of the final few possessions.  

It is completely accurate. I kept written play by play notes of the last 5 minutes (score changes, running game time, who scored) from the radio broadcast of the game.  This story matches my notes and accurately summarizes the game's last 2 minutes score by score.    Here is a little more of the play by play....

From 4 minutes left to 2 minutes left:
~4 min left:  Sean Loftus with traditional 3 point play for Baruch;  Baruch 71 Woo 68
3:39 left:  Justin Hallowell responds by nailing his 7th three pointer:  Baruch 71 Woo 71
2:31 left: Arki Wisnu makes 1 of 2 free throws:  Baruch 72 Woo 71
~2 min left: Tammer Farid hits his last three pointer:  Baruch 75  Woo 71
Ian Franks with 6 more points and Balch with 2 FT's finish the scoring to get Wooster to the 79-77 win.  
Arki Wisnu made 2 FT's with 0:53 left for Baruch's final 2 points.

[pennstghs]

DC, I'll be there and can provide some insight. I know even Wittenberg is aware of UPB's situation as Coach Brown acknowledged on his postgame report afte rThursday's game that he had no idea what to expect out of that team and how there is going to be some awkwardness. Luckily Witt had already scouted them somewhat as they played in the Rochester tournamen that Witt was at ,Witt just avoided playing them.

We'll see how it goes, the main storyline is the continuing saga of the Wittenberg rotation as new players come back from injuries/football and other new guys step up.

I still am adament that Witt will be a player in this year's conference race as their record cannot be a true testament of their team so far. All of their losses are attributed to turnovers and defensive breakdowns (aka they had new players so lack of repitition) is what i would surmise.


Woo Boo, don't worry about the karma, i lose it just for saying Wittenberg all the time