MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[wally_wabash]

But that's exactly it...one of these broadcast teams is professional, the other is not.  The standards ARE different. 

The expected behavior in a professional environment is absolutely not different, and that should be made clear to all student broadcasters, whether they have one fan posting on this board in their defense or zero.

That's fair, and what allegedly happened here isn't something I would condone on a regular basis.  But in this case the #1 team was beaten on their own floor...something that has happened exactly once this season (out of how many hundreds and hundreds of games?).  The circumstance was certainly not regular and the reaction to the result is understandable, even if their toe slipped over the line of professionalism for a minute.  All in all, I think the the incident is pretty far from an affront to the profession of broadcast journalism. 

[zander]

very entertaining..sp?? you go Wally!

[old scot]

I hate to side with Wally but, you Woo guys take this way too personal. Although the student broadcasters are "schooled on being professional behind the mike", I see no harm in standing up for your school.
The players are classmates, frat brother, or friends of the broadcasters and their "extended family" at the school. They are not only rooting themselves but, everyone at Bash.
There is a difference at being paid to do the job versus students volunteering for the job.
That being said, Go Scots."Win the NCAC Tourney!!!!!

[Gregory Sager]

Oh, and  thanks for the spelling lesson.  Much appreciated?!   My life is complete now that I know the proper spelling of ridiculous.  Which is pretty much how I feel about your response BTW...   Uh oh.  I hope the newly self appointed grammar police isn't going to be critical of me for not spelling out b-y  t-h-e  w-a-y???    Oh, the horror???   

Dear ScotsFan,

GoRed wasn't the grammar police. He was the spelling police.

Sincerely,

The definition police

Best argument ever about radio announcers.

Absolutely. And as HOFers, I think it's our duty to stoke the fire and keep it going for as long as possible.

But that's exactly it...one of these broadcast teams is professional, the other is not.  The standards ARE different. 

The expected behavior in a professional environment is absolutely not different, and that should be made clear to all student broadcasters, whether they have one fan posting on this board in their defense or zero.

Yes! And I might also point out as a broadcaster that I and my broadcast partner would never jump up and down during a broadcast.

(Of course, we wear connected headsets and my broadcast partner is 6'8 to my 6'0 ... so the no-jumping-up-and-down edict is strictly for my personal safety.)

[ScotsFan]

Oh, and  thanks for the spelling lesson.  Much appreciated?!   My life is complete now that I know the proper spelling of ridiculous.  Which is pretty much how I feel about your response BTW...   Uh oh.  I hope the newly self appointed grammar police isn't going to be critical of me for not spelling out b-y  t-h-e  w-a-y???    Oh, the horror???   

Dear ScotsFan,

GoRed wasn't the grammar police. He was the spelling police.

Sincerely,

The definition police

Duly noted.  At least I wasn't mistaking pre-season games with non-conference games eh?      

[wally_wabash]

I hate to side with Wally but, you Woo guys take this way too personal. Although the student broadcasters are "schooled on being professional behind the mike", I see no harm in standing up for your school.
The players are classmates, frat brother, or friends of the broadcasters and their "extended family" at the school. They are not only rooting themselves but, everyone at Bash.
There is a difference at being paid to do the job versus students volunteering for the job.
That being said, Go Scots."Win the NCAC Tourney!!!!!

Reason...ftw. 

Safe travels to everyone tonight and tomorrow.  Let's have a great NCAC final four this weekend!

[smedindy]

Oh, and  thanks for the spelling lesson.  Much appreciated?!   My life is complete now that I know the proper spelling of ridiculous.  Which is pretty much how I feel about your response BTW...   Uh oh.  I hope the newly self appointed grammar police isn't going to be critical of me for not spelling out b-y  t-h-e  w-a-y???    Oh, the horror???   

Dear ScotsFan,

GoRed wasn't the grammar police. He was the spelling police.

Sincerely,

The definition police

But who are the Dream Police?

[sac]

But who are the Dream Police?

What is Cheap Trick Alex?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiVscqYrtfM

[pennstghs]

My take on this (pointless) argument is that Wally was bashing Wooster's broadcast team for being unprofessional but standing up for his broadcasting team for essentially being unprofessional.........

Now onto real topics, such as basketball in Wooster tomorrow night!!!

BIG GAME forWitt/Wabash in the sense that its a "play-in" game in essence even though the team that wins isn't guaranteed anything. I'm probably in the minority but think that OWU has a legit shot to upset Wooster tomorrow night too.

Witt/Wabsh will come down to the same thing as last Wednesday, which team is shooting better from 3 point range.

[woosterbooster]

Witt/Wabsh will come down to the same thing as last Wednesday, which team is shooting better from 3 point range.

And to dwell on this a little further, here's a question: would you rather have one stellar three-point shooter that is maybe relied on too much, or three decent ones who on any given night you're not sure what they might contribute?  If you have the one guy, an excellent and dedicated defender just might shut him down.  If you have three, it's likely that there will be more good looks, but will they go in?

Better to have three very good shooters, but few teams have that luxury.  Wooster did for a couple of seasons with Cooper, Port, and Fulk.  This season, the consistency isn't there for the Scots to fall into this category.

[David Collinge]

The last thing I'm going to say on this subject is this: I don't think anyone was really too bothered by the "alleged" antics of the Wabash broadcasters at the Wooster game.  If they had been upset about it, someone would have mentioned it back then and not waited more than two weeks to bring it up.  No, what bothers people is the double standard that Wally is attempting to apply here.  He criticizes something associated from Wooster, gets shown that something from Wabash was as bad or worse, and suddenly it's double-standard time.  Again.

Moving on...

Wooster now has a Championship website up, with information on tip times, online coverages, ticket sales, and the four participating teams.  Unfortunately, nothing about parking; I guess you're on your own there.  I'd advise people to get there early, and not to wait for the second game.  

The first game is interesting in a lot of ways, most of them already known to most of us.  One thing that strikes me is the neutral-court aspect.  Which team will bring more/louder fans?  Will the Wooster fans tend to support Wabash (and/or Mac Petty) or will they just sit on their hands?  (I can't see them cheering for Wittenberg en masse.)  Will it be a quiet but quickly filling gym, and if so will that drain away energy from one or both teams?  Should be interesting.

You're not alone, pennstghs; I think either game could go either way.  Should be a great night of basketball, which unfortunately I will miss in its entirety, being scheduled for work during that time. 

[ScotsFan]

My take on this (pointless) argument is that Wally was bashing Wooster's broadcast team for being unprofessional but standing up for his broadcasting team for essentially being unprofessional.........

Ding ding ding ding... Finally, someone sees the original point I was trying to make here! 

The last thing I'm going to say on this subject is this: I don't think anyone was really too bothered by the "alleged" antics of the Wabash broadcasters at the Wooster game.  If they had been upset about it, someone would have mentioned it back then and not waited more than two weeks to bring it up.  No, what bothers people is the double standard that Wally is attempting to apply here.  He criticizes something associated from Wooster, gets shown that something from Wabash was as bad or worse, and suddenly it's double-standard time.  Again.

And yes, David hit the nail squarely on the head on this one. 

I'm probably in the minority but think that OWU has a legit shot to upset Wooster tomorrow night too.

I don't know why you would think you are in the minority.  After watching Wooster struggle over the past few games and especially watching the Scots turn a 17 point lead into a 9 point deficit against a team that had won a total of 4 league games all season is certainly no reason to be confident of a Wooster win tomorrow night.  Do I think Wooster is the better team?  Yes.  But has Wooster been playing like the team that was undefeated for the better part of this season and ranked #1 in the country of late?  Not so much. 

That said, OWU still has the burden of trying to figure out just how to beat the Scots.  The Bishops got drilled by the Scots down in Delaware back in December.  Then last Saturday, OWU played Wooster much tougher, but still ended up losing by nearly double digits.  Brady didn't have his best game, but Winters more than made up for it with almost a career night.  In the end, OWU just seemed to wilt down the stretch.  Whether it was from the pressure of not having too much success against Wooster or fatigue or was it the fact that Wooster is a veteran and talented team and simply has more experience in knowing how to finish in situations like that.  The bottom line is OWU didn't finish too strongly last Saturday in Wooster.  The question is, will the Bishops have what it takes to pull off what they failed to do just last Saturday in Timken?

I would also like to think that the scare Allegheny gave Wooster just may have awoken what has been a slumbering giant over the last month or so of the season.  Will the Scots use that scare as a wake up call or will we see Wooster continue to just seeminly go through the motions on the court with no real sense of urgency until they are faced with a challenge?

[ScotsFan]

Wooster now has a Championship website up, with information on tip times, online coverages, ticket sales, and the four participating teams.  Unfortunately, nothing about parking; I guess you're on your own there.  I'd advise people to get there early, and not to wait for the second game.  

Add in the distinct possiblity that we could be seeing some significant snowfall moving into the area starting early tomorrow morning and falling heavily throughout the early afternoon hours.  I read one forecast said that there is the possiblity of seeing 2 inches per hour from 5 am to 10 am.  If that is the case, we could be looking at quite a mess for tomorrow night's games.  The quesion will be, just how bad will it get and how early will it hit.  The earlier the better as it should give road crews the chance to get the roads cleared by the evening rush.  Should is the key word here.  Hopefully the road crews here in Wooster will be more ahead of this storm than they were by the one we got hammerred with on Monday.  I can't remember seeing so many cars just stranded in the middle of roads in Wooster as I did Monday evening.  I'm not talking about cars in ditches or cars that slipped off the road.  I'm talking about cars that became stuck in the middle of roads and were abandoned because there were no salt trucks to be found plowing or salting the streets?  I'm hoping Wooster's road crews learned from their mistakes of Monday and will be ready for this storm ahead of time tomorrow?!  Although, I'm not going to be holding my breath... 

[wally_wabash]

It's not a double standard, it's a different standard.  Guys who have been calling games for years and years and years and taking money to do so can't boo during games.  I don't even care about impartiality...I know better than to expect that from small college broadcasts, but you can't boo.  Want to boo the refs?  Buy a ticket and sit with the rest of the crowd.  That's a mistake that experienced, veteran broadcasters can't make.  Students doing this job as full fledged amateurs, as green as they get, getting excited about a win like that isn't a big deal.  It just isn't.  I've been in my job for 10+ years now...there are mistakes that new employees can make (and learn from) that I'd get buried for now.  The standard changes as you get older...this is no different. 

Will the Wooster fans tend to support Wabash (and/or Mac Petty) or will they just sit on their hands?  (I can't see them cheering for Wittenberg en masse.)  Will it be a quiet but quickly filling gym, and if so will that drain away energy from one or both teams?  Should be interesting.

I thought it was noted that Wooster fans don't attend the first game of doubleheaders, thus getting jammed out of three extra bucks.  Did we change our minds about that? 

[David Collinge]

I thought it was noted that Wooster fans don't attend the first game of doubleheaders, thus getting jammed out of three extra bucks.  Did we change our minds about that?