MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Michigan/Ohio State was ranked the No. 1 college football rivalry by USA Today last fall. IIRC, the rankings were based on tradition, mutual dislike and national impact.

[division3hoops]

Not to bring up old wounds but I thought I would add my two cents in about the Wooster/Witt game.  First of all, it's interesting to hear the Witt students saying that Wooster students were egging them on after the game.  The last two years Wooster has been down there, Witt students have tried to engage them afterward in a petty fight about football scores and NCAC rings.  And for every **** on Witt cheer, last year there was a **** you Wooster chant, does anyone else remember that?  So let's just suffice it to say that both teams have done somewhat innappropriate chanting.  No one school is better than the other in that regard or more classy...

Also I would have to agree that the fouls Borchers drew were mostly touch fouls at best.  Looking at the stats, he only had two fouls called on him, and the first one was with 4 minutes already played in the second half!  Are we saying this kid is that good, that he doesn't foul?  Now maybe you can say that based on the total fouls the game had, it was called fair, but with Wooster big men in foul trouble for the first half and most of the second half, the edge went to Wittenberg. 

Is there going to be any more quick discussion about BW beating ONU on their home court?  BW, a team that was preseason ranked top 10 had falled off the top 25.  From what I have heard about the OAC, ONU seems to be the team to beat in that conference.  Wish I could have been at that game.

[ScotsFan]

i didnt know this was the discussion board for division 1 football? discussing scUM on here makes me sick haha

Judging from your 'WE ARE.................PENN STATE!' signature, it's clear to  see where the animosity towards UofM comes from.  It's been a pretty tough decade for the Lions when it comes to playing Michigan now hasn't it???

Oh, and regarding your signature, I prefer, 'We OWN Penn State'!!!

Is there going to be any more quick discussion about BW beating ONU on their home court?  BW, a team that was preseason ranked top 10 had falled off the top 25.  From what I have heard about the OAC, ONU seems to be the team to beat in that conference.  Wish I could have been at that game.

I'll bite considering ONU is looming as an opponent for the Scots at the end of this month.  I must admit, I was a bit shocked at the score when I first saw it.  I didn't think B-W had a chance to win, let alone almost win by 20 AT ONU no less.  So I went and looked at the box score for the 1st time and it basically was a case of B-W shooting lights out from the floor inside and outside of the arc.  B-W shot 62% from the floor and 67% from beyond the arc!  The Polar Bears finished shooting 45% but were only 23% from downtown.  ONU actually had more 3 pt. attempts (13-12), but had 5 fewer makes (3-8).  It's tough to beat a team with a hot shooting touch like that. 

That was really the only telling stat that would indicate why this game was won by such a wide margin by the Yellow Jackets.  In other key statistical categories, B-W only outrebounded ONU 32-29 and the Jackets actually turned the ball over 3 more times than did ONU.  The Bears even got to the line 3 more times than B-W, but had 2 fewer conversions there as well.

One other thing that kind of surpirsed me in looking at the box score is that B-W only got significant minutes from one guy off the bench.  They had 4 out of their 5 starters (including Santiago making only his 1st start) log at least 34 minutes in the game.  I thought that was a bit surprising to see such an apparant lack of depth by the Yellow Jackets. 

All in all, it looks to me like ONU was done in by a red-hot B-W.  Kind of similar to how Wooster knocked off Witt last year down in Springfield.

[jscwittfan]

Latest poll up, and, much like some of you predicted, Wooster and Wittenberg both stayed put in the rankings.  Wooster is still #1, with 22/25 first place votes, and Witt remained at #6, 40 total points ahead of ONU.  In addition, Ohio Wesleyan was t-20 in the Others Receiving Votes category.

[WoosterFAN]

The 'Mose' Hole tourney might have gotten a bit harder as UW-Lacrosse has entered the Top 25 at #21.  They have started the year @ 6-2.

UWL's opponent Calvin is unranked and is 4-3 but all of their losses have been to ranked teams.

Of course, the Scots have to get past ONU first.  And in 2000 NCAA tourney, SCOTs first beat ONU then lost @ Calvin in round of 16.

Revenge is a dish best served cold!!

[David Collinge]

Is there going to be any more quick discussion about BW beating ONU on their home court? 

Welcome to Posting Up, d3hoops!  I'd like to point out to you that there is a separate board for discussion of the OAC; indeed, there are boards for each D3 conference, as well as a number of boards of general interest, such as those devoted to the top 25, the Pool B teams, and the performance of D3 teams vs. non-D3 teams.  I encourage you to surf around.  As for the OAC, their room is right next to ours, and courtside seats are still available! 

[Li'l Giant]

As for the OAC, their room is right next to ours, and courtside seats are still available!

Well, their minds are still on football at the moment. I wish we had that problem. 

[uknowme2]

As for the OAC, their room is right next to ours, and courtside seats are still available!

Well, their minds are still on football at the moment. I wish we had that problem. 

Agreed!

[David Collinge]

I received an interesting note today from Hugh Howard, Wooster's SID.  As some of you may be aware, there is a misprint in the 2007 NCAA Record Book, which has had the effect of pushing Wooster back behind Illinois Wesleyan and into third place on the all-time wins list in D3.  (It goes without saying that Wittenberg is #1 on this list.)  Coming into last season, both Wooster and IWU were credited with 1395 wins in program history.  Last year Wooster won 26 games, and IWU won 25 (although I'd gladly have swapped their wins for our wins, especially those of the March variety!), ostensibly giving Wooster a one-game edge coming into this season, 1421-1420.

However, the Record Book records Wooster's win total as 1402.  That's a number that's both wrong and curious, as it's not a normal-looking typo of 1421.  Hugh informed me today that he's succeeded in getting the NCAA to recognize that it is a misprint, but it turns out to be a normal dyslexic typo of 1420.  As it happens, the NCAA has seemingly decided to remove a 1963 forfeit by Central State from Wooster's wins list.  That means that Wooster and IWU again started the season tied on this list, at 1420 wins.  (Well, not really 'again,' since it now appears that the Scots were at 1394 last season.)

Wooster is 7-0 in the early going, while IWU is 5-3, so it now appears to everyone's satisfaction that Wooster is indeed the #2 D3 team in all-time wins, 1427 to 1425. 

As a side note, the deduction of the win over Central State presumably reduces Al Van Wie's career win total to 302.  I certainly hope the NCAA doesn't take a similarly dim view on any more of the Dutchman's victories, as I like the distinction of being the only D3 school with three 300-game winning coaches. 

[division3hoops]

Thanks for the welcome David!  I saw there is a separate board for the OAC but apparently they don't get much discussion over there.  Since Wooster is going to be playing ONU, I wanted to see what people thought about that game looming ahead.  Of course there are more games to play until then but you have to love 2 top 10 teams playing each other.  ONU seems to be pretty tough and like I said before I have heard they are the team to beat in the OAC.  I must say this seems like it is going to be a pretty slow week with no games due to finals I believe for all the schools. 

[division3hoops]

I take that previous thought back.  I see there are several non-conference games going on this week.  I was under the impression all the schools had finals.  I didn't know that schools played during finals week...If that's the case, must be pretty tough on the athletes...

[David Collinge]

Since Wooster is going to be playing ONU, I wanted to see what people thought about that game looming ahead.  Of course there are more games to play until then but you have to love 2 top 10 teams playing each other.   

Wittenberg gets the first shot; they play at ONU next Tuesday, also a matchup of two top 10 teams (Witt is #6, ONU is #7).  That's 10 days before the Mose Hole matchup.

I don't know when each school has final exams, but most school schedules from around the country that I have looked at have a noticeable gap (at least a week) for exams.

I'd be surprised if any of the regulars in this room have seen the Polar Bears yet this year.  Maybe none of the OAC regulars (few as they are) have either, but the likelihood seems to be a little higher.

[pennstghs]

david you took the words righ tout of my mouth. i somehow doubt that ONu will be looking ahead to wooster and past a home game with witt....especially with the way witt has owned this series-yes owned-if anything wooster will be looking forward to this matchup because i think it will gauge just how good the polar bears are. also i think these matchup s will be interesting to see if the OAC can gain some ground against the NCAC's TOP teams. i am looking forward to seeing the results witt has next week at ohio northern and at otterbein-both of which are not gimmies

[pennstghs]

also since the osu-michigan debate has been brought up

A  7 year old boy in columbus ohio surprised a court room yesterday when he challenged a court ruling. After a long line of parental abuse, the court awarded his parental aunt custody. The boy claimed his entire family had a history of beating him. After much consideration, the court ruled that because of the family's history of abuse,.......
: he was awarded custody to the University of Michigan who the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone from Columbus or Ohio.
hahahaha
great stuff

[Vanilla24COW]

While I have not yet had a chance to watch ONU (plan to next Tuesday against the Tigers) I do get media coverage of them over here in NW Ohio. From what I know they lack a dominant post presence, I believe their top post player is either a sophmore or freshman and is more of a hard worker than star. Badenhop is their top player and while I don't particularly like his style of play there is no denying that he knows how to fill it up. I see the Tigers post players having a field day and I think Wooster's guards and overall team depth will be too much for the Bears, I see both NCAC teams winning by double digits. I can only hope that this year's ONU/Witt game is as entertaining as December of 02 when Bill Brown was escorted out of the gym by campus police...it was classic and is laying around on VHS somewhere