MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[smedindy]

Is that anything like "Grease is the word??"

[Li'l Giant]

I'm assuming this is a sock of our previously dearly departed Denison denouncer? 

[wooscotsfan]

But the QOWI is not even a power rating, since it's all about the region and takes no differnece in between the other regions.

It's a heinous measurement...and I like measurements.

Smeds -- I share some of your frustration with the current NCAA selection process.

For the QoWI -- should we call it a "regionally constrained power rating"?  

...or is the "worthless wins index" a better descriptor?  

[WillieBrown]

If I got 30 shots a game like Hodgingford I might put some big numbers too. Being very good on a bad team will ruin your chance at poy, ask matt formato. Or as i like to call him Matt "This dude sucks (5 mins later) This dude is awesome" Formato which is coincidentally the best nickname in the history of the ncac.

[hodgistheman]

Willie...

There is a big difference between a good player on a bad team and a good player on a good team. I assume you are neither, so why knock Hodgkinson because the team wasn't so hot early, they have improved recently and have a chance of being in the top four or five of the conference.

[imderekpoe]

Willie...

There is a big difference between a good player on a bad team and a good player on a good team. I assume you are neither, so why knock Hodgkinson because the team wasn't so hot early, they have improved recently and have a chance of being in the top four or five of the conference.

I'm not sure that beating Oberlin and Allegheny (both at home) points to a great deal of improvement!  If they manage to win a couple of road games this week maybe we can talk about them being improved...

[pennstghs]

What is happening to the NCAC when Hiram and Denison players win Player of the Week in concurrent weeks? Denison has to prove themselves first before anyone is going to take them very seriously, although they did manage to scare Wittenberg earlier this year again, but if your team is basing it's success on coming close to winnning big games, you've got a little issue

[hodgistheman]

Fellas...

It is very easy to stand back and judge anohter player or teams program. Denison, because of strict entrance guidline will never be real competitive across the board, so what is wrong when a very good player comes along and you want o support him and the team. I have not knocked Wooster or Witt or any other NCAC team, yet you seem to want to rip somebody for having an opinion.

[hodgistheman]

By the way, what ever happened to Kyle McKee at Hiram?

[imderekpoe]

Fellas...

It is very easy to stand back and judge anohter player or teams program. Denison, because of strict entrance guidline will never be real competitive across the board, so what is wrong when a very good player comes along and you want o support him and the team. I have not knocked Wooster or Witt or any other NCAC team, yet you seem to want to rip somebody for having an opinion.

I don't think that anyone was knocking Hodgkinson.  I thought the discussion was assessing his chances of winning POY, and that they were not as good because of the quality of his team.  At least that what I was thinking...

We're always happy to see support for other teams in here.  Sorry if my comments (or others) came off as any disrespect, but if a team is bad you've got to expect some negativity...

[hodgistheman]

I understand the negativity but you can't knock a guy for going out and doing what he does on a nightly basis. Can you name anyone the has been more consistent over four years than Dan Hodgkinson.

[WillieBrown]

Willie...

There is a big difference between a good player on a bad team and a good player on a good team. I assume you are neither, so why knock Hodgkinson because the team wasn't so hot early, they have improved recently and have a chance of being in the top four or five of the conference.

Your instincts are correct, I am a very average basketball player who does not play for any team in the ncac. And I said Hodgy was a good player. The only thing I want to know is if Hodgkinson knows about your unhealthy infatuation with him?

[jimmychitwood15]

No one will argue Hodgkinson's consistency, but I think that is the point of the discussion. No disrespect to his career thus far at Denison but I think if he went to Witt or Woo there's no way he would've started or gotten significant minutes early in his career. In those programs, even very talented players have to 'wait their turn' b/c number of talented kids that go to those school to be a part of winning programs. This is a big factor in why those programs stay strong year in and year out.

[David Collinge]

Having seen Denison play 5 times this season, I feel compelled to disagree with four of the above statements:

I'm not sure that beating Oberlin and Allegheny (both at home) points to a great deal of improvement!  If they manage to win a couple of road games this week maybe we can talk about them being improved...

Considering where Denison was before this week, their wins over Oberlin (by 27) and Allegheny (by 20) are unmistakeable signs of improvement.  However,

[...]they have improved recently and have a chance of being in the top four or five of the conference.

I think that's overreaching. 

Denison, because of strict entrance guidline will never be real competitive across the board[...]

Denison has, of course, won nine consecutive all-sports trophies in this conference, and lead in the race for the 10th.  Suggesting that admissions standards in Granville are significantly different from those in the other admissions offices is ridiculous.  Denison has been handicapped in the past by its administration's insistence on national recruiting, but that's a problem faced by Kenyon and Oberlin as well (perhaps others), so DU is not alone in this regard.  Anyway, both Hodgkinson and Izzo are from Chicagoland, so national recruiting has maybe not been such a detriment to the Big Red after all.

Finally,

No one will argue Hodgkinson's consistency, but I think that is the point of the discussion. No disrespect to his career thus far at Denison but I think if he went to Witt or Woo there's no way he would've started or gotten significant minutes early in his career.

I've seen a lot of Wooster, and a lot of Denison, and I think Dan Hodgkinson would be a starter for the Scots, or at least a key contributor, had he gone there.  I'm less well-versed about Wittenberg, but I suspect he'd be a starter there too.

[smedindy]

Hodgkinson has family ties, though, to Denison. I think he would have played a lot and started wherever he went in D-3, but certainly he wouldn't be amassing the stats at Wooster or Witt, and his defense would have cost him some time at those schools.