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[TigerFan_1973]

I just tried to post a comment to Pat's blog/story about February and tourney time.

It told me that I had to log in and that my ID was wrong.

Does D3Hoops.com require a different login/registration than posting on these boards?

Thanks.

[TigerFan_1973]

I just went over 200 posts.

I noticed that I now have karma privileges.

What an awesome responsibility.  I hope to use the power wisely! 

TF_1973

[David Collinge]

I just tried to post a comment to Pat's blog/story about February and tourney time.

It told me that I had to log in and that my ID was wrong.

Does D3Hoops.com require a different login/registration than posting on these boards?

Thanks.

Yes.  At the bottom of the post on the Daily Dose, click "Register to Comment." 

[wally_wabash]

I'm thinking that Witt is one of the 19 best runners-up in the country whether or not they beat Wooster at all this year.  23-5 (Witt's record if they don't beat Wooster here or in the conference tourney finals) gets you in.  Maybe not so much before the dance expanded last year, but with 19 at-large bids, 23-5 is good enough. 

It'll be easier to make this call when the NCAA starts putting out the regional rankings. 

[David Collinge]

I'm thinking that Witt is one of the 19 best runners-up in the country whether or not they beat Wooster at all this year.  23-5 (Witt's record if they don't beat Wooster here or in the conference tourney finals) gets you in.  Maybe not so much before the dance expanded last year, but with 19 at-large bids, 23-5 is good enough. 

It'll be easier to make this call when the NCAA starts putting out the regional rankings. 

Maybe, but all five of those losses would be in-region, and the regional wins are overstocked with low-QoWI teams like, well, the bottom 7 NCAC teams.  If Witt doesn't beat Wooster at least once, it'll be touch-and-go for them on Selection Sunday. 

Regional rankings are out on Wednesday. 

[wally_wabash]

Of course I'm assuming that the chalk holds throughout the conference tournaments and the 19 Pool C's go to the next best 19 teams.  Of course that won't happen...without crunching any numbers my hunch would be to say that 23-5 probably would have Witt watching very closely at the conference tournaments around the country...4-5 teams stealing bids could be enough to force Witt out under the 0-3 vs. Wooster scenario. 

Here's a question...would it be more damning for Witt to beat Wooster Saturday and then lose to one of the bottom 7 of the league in the tournament, or lose to Wooster and make the tournament finals?  I think there's no shame in losing to Wooster three times (twice at Timken), but tournament teams shouldn't be getting beat by the lower 7 in our league.  The QOWI numbers may not reflect that, but that would be my perception.

[David Collinge]

Here's a question...would it be more damning for Witt to beat Wooster Saturday and then lose to one of the bottom 7 of the league in the tournament, or lose to Wooster and make the tournament finals?  I think there's no shame in losing to Wooster three times (twice at Timken), but tournament teams shouldn't be getting beat by the lower 7 in our league.  The QOWI numbers may not reflect that, but that would be my perception.

Strictly analytically, it would be marginally (very marginally) better for Witt to beat Wooster and lose to a "bottom 7" team.  They'd have the same regional won/lost percentage, and they'd have the same QoWI.*  Beating Wooster would give them a boost in the "results vs. regionally ranked opponents" and "head-to-head results" categories, both among the five primary selection criteria; a win over (say) Allegheny doesn't do that.

*QoWI is misleading; I encourage everyone to break it down to component parts.  There's a home/away component, a win/lose component, and a opponent's win % component.  The home/away component is worth 1 point for away (or neutral) no matter who you play, so that part can be tallied up before the season begins.  The win/lose component is worth 8 points for a win, no matter who you beat, so that part can be tallied using only the regional record.  What's left is the opponent's regional win % strata.  It is possible that a loss to Allegheny (or whoever) will push Allegheny over the threshold of the next-highest stratum (and thus earn Witt an extra 4 points, win or lose, two for each of the home/away games), but it's equally likely that a win over that team will push them down a tier; so it pretty much evens out in the long run.  So beating Wooster and losing to Allegheny likely produces the exact same QoWI as losing to Wooster and beating Allegheny.

[tigerup07]

To my knowledge, Witt never has had a marching band.  Can you get enough detail from the band pictures you have seen to see if it was one of the high school bands?[/qoute]

Yeah, it's definitely a Witt marching band, W's and everything.

[qoute]
So, do they still ring the bell after a score in the football game?

Yes, yes they do. And the cheerleaders do pushups.

I would think that people would come and play in a pep band because they enjoyed playing whether they liked basketball or not.  I guess not, huh?  Have you thought about asking members of the local community to participate?  You might have a bit more luck with people just looking for an opportunity to play.

The students get bored if they're not into the game. Just a fact of life, I guess. College rules are stricter than high school rules regarding when the band can play and whatnot. So we play less than some people expect. With respect to community players, that's the reason it folded in 2001. The local high school director that was in charge of it tended to favor his students when assigning parts and chairs, and the Witt students resented that because it was the Wittenberg Pep Band, and the students stopped going and they were in fact the core of the group, so there weren't enough people left over to keep it going.

So many politics even at small schools... who'da thunk?

Thanks.
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[scotty]

in regards to pep bands, Michigan Tech in the UP has by far the best i have ever seen at their hockey games...100 plus and well coached/rehearsed...i highly recommend the drive as the local airport only has 6 flights a day 

[tigerup07]

in regards to pep bands, Michigan Tech in the UP has by far the best i have ever seen at their hockey games...100 plus and well coached/rehearsed...i highly recommend the drive as the local airport only has 6 flights a day 

I know one of the guys who used to play in the MT Pep Band... don't know why anyone would want to be a yuper though, lol. I have heard some recordings and seen the crazy striped coveralls and everything. Seems fun... lots more fun than Witt's anyway.

[wooscotsfan]

I'm not sure how "big" this Witt/Woo game is relative to some of the other Witt/Woo clashes of recent history. 

Wally - it is a "big" rivalry game every time that Wooster and Wittenberg play!  .....kind of like Wabash vs. DePauw!  

Timken will be rocking tomorrow night and the Wooster students are encouraging all Scots fans to wear black clothing so we can welcome the Tigers with a "blackout".

Wooster needs to win all their remaining games if they want a good chance at hosting game(s) in the NCAA tourney.  As David noted, Wittenberg also could use a big win over Wooster to increase their chances of a NCAA Pool C berth if they don't win the automatic bid in the NCAC tourney.  I'll have my black clothing on tomorrow night!

GO SCOTS!

[kiltedbryan]

RE: Pep Bands

Wooster has fielded a pep band for the last 3-4 years now, I believe.  Since DC occasionaly speaks of his time in the pep band, it obviously existed in earlier years, too.  However, I don't believe that had been one for a number of years, since I don't recall one when I went to Woo games as a young kid.  The Pep Band plays a live national anthem (I've never really liked recorded, loudspeaker versions) and is led by Ned Brooks, the assistant band director at Wooster and a retired band director from Triway High School in the area.  Since my move prior to this season, I have not seen Wooster at a home game this year, so I don't know how the actual participation for pep band has been this season, but I always enjoyed the study break when I played in it (I was even the fill-in director a few times) and I appreciate how a pep band can add a lot to the atmosphere of a game.  (Nothing worse than a late timeout at a key moment where the energy just dies away into silence...  )

I'm glad that Witt has brought a pep band back.  Hope you're able to keep it going, tigerup07!

[kiltedbryan]

I'm not sure how "big" this Witt/Woo game is relative to some of the other Witt/Woo clashes of recent history. 

Wally - it is a "big" rivalry game every time that Wooster and Wittenberg play!  .....kind of like Wabash vs. DePauw!  

Timken will be rocking tomorrow night and the Wooster students are encouraging all Scots fans to wear black clothing so we can welcome the Tigers with a "blackout".

My on-campus Wooster sources say that campus reaction to the "blackout" idea has been strong, and that awareness of the game in the sudent body is good.  I suspect students will post a stong turnout, and the atmosphere in the gym should be incredible.  Wow, I wish wish I could be there to see this one. 

Root extra hard for me, Scots Posters!

[WoosterFAN]

Man, I would love to see the Blackout, too.  Some take and then post pictures, please!!  Thanks

[tigerup07]

Wow, I'm really disappointed in Witt's student body right now, and even more so the administration and athletic department. There was almost no publicity for this game. The only thing was an e-mail advertising a "fan bus" to Wooster... only problem is it was gonna cost every one who wanted to ride a total of $26 for the ticket and the ride. I heard from an inside source today that NO STUDENTS signed up. I'm heading up myself with a fraternity brother meeting my mom and dad, both Witt alumni, and I know that there is always a large group of Witt students that goes up themselves to "tailgate" or whatever, who don't want to ride the bus, but still no students? But I know why it happened. $26 is a lot to charge a college kid who's having trouble finding enough money to buy pizza on Saturday nights, let alone enough quarters to do laundry.

I'm disappointed that Witt didn't do more to involve the student body with this, and that they didn't at least TRY to lower the cost for the bus by paying off more of it themselves. They brought it on themselves this time. Despite all this, I still expect to see all the faithful students I've grown accustomed to seeing at home games.

Although the Witt athletic department did start a "Code Red" theme with selected home games, but it really hasn't caught on. There's just so much apathy among the students.

Can't wait to see the game tomorrow. This'll probably be my last post unless I sneak one in tomorrow before I leave. Good luck to both sides, and if you see a college student with a red wittenberg hoodie, cleveland indians hat, and beard, that's me, say hi!