MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

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David Collinge

#5595
I did this once before; maybe it's time for an update.

Recalling that QoWI has three components--win (8 points) or lose (0), road/neutral game (1 point) or home (0), and opponent's in-region win % (6, 4, 2 or 0 points)--a significant portion of a team's QoWI is tied into who they have played, win or lose.  Here's who the ranked teams have played, by QoWI echelon:

Tier 1: win % .667 and above (6 points)
Tier 2: win % .500 and above (4 points)
Tier 3: win % .333 and above (2 points)
Tier 4: win % below .333 (0 points)


      Team            Tier 1            Tier 2            Tier 3            Tier 4      
   LEC      3      4      7      5   
   JCU      6      8      4      2   
   Wooster      3      4      4      6   
   Witt      4      5      3      6   
   Hope      1      9      0      6   
   ONU      8      6      2      2   
This table includes Hope's game against Carthage, a Tier 2 game, only because the NCAA seems to still be counting it as in-region.

Note that from a QoWI perspective, LEC has played a tougher schedule than Wooster. 

David Collinge

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2007, 12:08:49 PM
David,

Your point regarding the other primary criteria is quite correct, but there is still one mystery: JCU's wins over (and the Ws losses to) ONU all occurred before the FIRST regional rankings.  Why JCU's sudden jump in week two?

If the committee is that sloppy in finally noticing things (and still has Hope's in-region record wrong - they're 12-2, not 12-3), it does not give one a great deal of confidence in pool C selection or game seedings!

Edit: I just realized that one (partial) explanation is that the criterion regarding record against regionally-ranked teams would not apply to the first week, since no one is yet ranked!  But if that is the ONLY reason JCU jumped the Ws, they are either giving that criterion undue influence or the three teams are SO close they could be regarded as 2a, 2b, and 2c rather than 2, 3,  and 4.

First, the primary criteria (and secondary criteria, for that matter) don't include "where they were in last week's poll," so JCU's week 1 ranking is irrelevant.  If the committee starts from scratch each week, I think that's good.

Second, I don't know how close the tally was last week, but maybe it was quite close.  I'm guessing that JCU's QoWI took a significant jump this week, since both B-W and Capital moved from tier 2 to tier 1; that alone added 8 points to JCU's QoWI.  They also added a 12-point win over Heidelberg, and when combined with a 9-pointer at Marietta gives them a 10.5 week without considering tier changes.

Third, since when do you have any confidence in pool C selections or game seedings, anyway?

sac

Quote from: David Collinge on February 15, 2007, 12:16:28 PM
Note that from a QoWI perspective, LEC has played a tougher schedule than Wooster. 

Yet, if you gave Wooster LEC's schedule and LEC Wooster's schedule.........I'd put big money down that Wooster would have a far better record than LEC would have.

TigerFan_1973

I'm kinda lost in all this Quality of Wins Index stuff.

It appears that higher is better.

So, how come Lake Erie can't get enough votes to be higher than 26th? 

As a side question, did Lake Erie used to be a community college?  I never heard of them until lately.

I hope the teams all get their games in tonight, assuming that it is safe to do so.

Go Tigers!  I'll be watching the video from wittenberg.edu.  Now that our electric is back on, it's nice and toasty in here.  Gas heat is great but it seems to require electricity!


David Collinge

Here's what the D3Hoops.com FAQ has to say about QoWI.

Yes, higher is better.

It is unrelated to the D3Hoops.com Top 25.  The biggest difference is that QoWI (and the NCAA regional rankings) only take in-region games under consideration, while the Top 25 looks at the entire schedule.

Lake Erie was for many, many years a women's seminary.  They merged with a men's college and became co-ed sometime in the 1980s.  http://www.lec.edu/cover/

wooscotsfan

On the WQKT pregame radio show tonight, they indicated that Tim Vandervaart will have an x-ray tomorrow on his wrist.  If the results are good, Vandervaart will have his cast removed and replaced with a splint.

This would increase the likelihood that Vandervaart can play with a splint during the NCAC Tourney next week.  Good luck to Tim in getting back on the court in the near future!  :)   

wooscotsfan

At the Half:  Wooster 54  Kenyon 29

This game is essentially over at halftime. :)  Kenyon jumped out to a 7-2 early lead but Wooster responded with a 29-4 run to take complete control of this game.

Wooster is being led by Tom Port with 16 points (4 three pointers), James Cooper with 9 points and Brandon Johnson with 9 points.

The Lords are being led by Bryan Yelvington with 11 points and Korey Haddox with 10 points.

GO SCOTS!

earlhamalum

#5602
Update out of Richmond, Indiana
I have a feeling a lot of teams are pulling for the Big ReD

30  Earlham
30  Denison


half-time  I'm sure it's better then the Team-line and the students that are doing the broadcast for $6.45 a hour
*Yi-Pi-KI-A Mother *BEEP

wally_wabash

#5603
Wabash/Witt is getting set to tip.  Kudos to Witt for putting together a really good quality video stream.  Why every school isn't doing this is beyond me (cough, Wabash, cough). 

I'll update this post with pertinent updates as things go along here....Go Wabash!

And yes, Go Denison.  :)

Your first update from Springfield....Artie is wearing a garish pink suit tonight.  Nice.

16:00 to go in the first, score is tied 8-8.  Wabash has not trailed to this point.   

And just as I post that, Bowen hits his third triple of the game.  That can't be good.  We're at 11-10 Witt right now. 

Midway through the first half, 21-18 in favor of Witt.  Not sure how we got there as my stream took a few minutes off. 

Witt's on a 9-0 run on the heels of a busted play that should have resulted in a layup to tie for Wabash.  Witt is up 35-24 late in the first half.

Halftime score : Witt 39, Wabash 26.  Wabash really went flat over the last 5 minutes or so here...it's a shame because the first 15 minutes of this game were really good.  Hopefully we can get a full 20 minutes from Wabash in the second half.

14:25 left in the game....Witt is slowly extending the lead after Wabash made a mini run.  Borchers is starting to get going...53-37 in favor of Witt.

Wabash has fallen in love with the 3 point shot...the problem is that the 3 point shot just wants to be friends.  LGs need to get back to working the ball into the painted area (had to channel Hubie Brown there).  7 minutes to go, Witt is up 64-49.

Final from the HPER: Witt 82, Wabash 59.  Too much strength down low and not enough help for Zimmer for Wabash tonight.  Senior day vs. Kenyon is Saturday. 
"Nothing in the world is more expensive than free."- The Deacon of HBO's The Wire

TigerFan_1973

Quote from: David Collinge on February 15, 2007, 05:04:03 PM
Here's what the D3Hoops.com FAQ has to say about QoWI.

Yes, higher is better.

It is unrelated to the D3Hoops.com Top 25.  The biggest difference is that QoWI (and the NCAA regional rankings) only take in-region games under consideration, while the Top 25 looks at the entire schedule.

Lake Erie was for many, many years a women's seminary.  They merged with a men's college and became co-ed sometime in the 1980s.  http://www.lec.edu/cover/

smedindy

Wabash Always Fights!

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jscwittfan

Quote from: wally_wabash on February 15, 2007, 08:11:14 PM
Your first update from Springfield....Artie is wearing a garish pink suit tonight.  Nice.

Might be my new favorite suit - it was sweet to see in person.
"When my time here on Earth is done I want to be buried upside down, so my critics can kiss my ass."
-Bobby Knight

earlhamalum

#5608

Earlham-    49
Denison-   49

6:30   

Wooster has to win on Tuesday first before they get to Host the NCAC tourney.... Okay nevermind I think after the article I read the other day... Wooster will host!  :)
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wooscotsfan

#5609
Final:  Wooster 87  Kenyon 62

Wooster clinches at least a tie for the NCAC regular season title as they move to 14-1 NCAC, 21-3 overall. :) ;D

Wooster was led tonight by Tom Port with 22 points, Devin Fulk with 15 points (5 three pointers), Brandon Johnson with 14 points and James Cooper with 13 points.  Wooster has now won 27 straight games vs. the Lords.

Korey Haddox and Bryan Yelvington were the leading scorers in this game for the Kenyon Lords.

Wooster needs to take care of business on Saturday vs. Ohio Wesleyan so the Scots can host the NCAC tourney.

GO SCOTS!