MBB: North Coast Athletic Conference

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earlhamalum

Besided Earlham  ::)  it looks like Wabash has the only chance to Knock off the higher seed.  I am going to be pulling for the all men's college West of us.  I hope Wabash doesn't get screwed in the 1st round at Allegheny like Earlham did in 2003.  (As you can see I'm still bitter)

Good luck to all teams and especially seniors... Seems like 4 more teams will be joining Denison and Oberlin.
*Yi-Pi-KI-A Mother *BEEP

jscwittfan

Quote from: David Collinge on February 20, 2007, 01:02:56 PM
I expect a great game between the Bishops and the Ladies on the suddenly mournful Kenyon campus.

Wow.  What a strange (and sad) coincidence.  Wittenberg is going through the same thing.

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/hp/content/oh/story/news/local/2007/02/16/sns021707fazli.html

Prayers to all involved or affected.
"When my time here on Earth is done I want to be buried upside down, so my critics can kiss my ass."
-Bobby Knight

TigerFan_1973

Quote from: earlhamalum on February 20, 2007, 01:47:41 PM
Besided Earlham  ::)  it looks like Wabash has the only chance to Knock off the higher seed.  I am going to be pulling for the all men's college West of us.  I hope Wabash doesn't get screwed in the 1st round at Allegheny like Earlham did in 2003.  (As you can see I'm still bitter)

Good luck to all teams and especially seniors... Seems like 4 more teams will be joining Denison and Oberlin.


Well, earlhamalum, I am happy to tell you that I will be rooting for Earlham this evening and I hope that they can pull the upset.  Another Witt-Woo game would be nice, but having the rest of the tourney in the big city would be better, I think.

I will try to check in on the game while listening to Witt.

That said, I must also say ... GO TIGERS!

TigerFan_1973

Quote from: David Collinge on February 20, 2007, 11:41:06 AM
Based on this, I'd expect Wednesday's regional rankings to be

1. Lake Erie
2. Wooster
3. JCU
4. Hope
5. Wittenberg
6. Ohio Northern

I'm a little rusty (actually, I don't have enough memorized to be rusty) on the selection criteria.

Could go over this for me again please?

Is there some room for human analysis with all this calculated QOWI?  Obviously, Lake Erie does well in the calculations but not so well in the analysis part, since they are 30th in the latest poll.

How does the regional ranking fit in?  Does it only matter in Pool C? 

In other words, what wins out in the end, the calculated ranking, or human analysis?

Thanks.

TF_73

imderekpoe

I'll say that I'm always conflicted this time of year.  My head tells me that I should root for Witt so that (hopefully) the Scots will get the QOWI benefit of playing the higher-rated team on Saturday.  But I really find it hard at game time to pull for the Tigers - especially when watching in person. ::) 

Still, I'll probably pull for the W's tonight - Wooster, Witt, Wesleyan, and Wabash.

Go Scots!

David Collinge

The NCAA considers five "primary criteria" in determining the regional rankings and at-large bids to the tournament.  Those criteria are
Quote from: 2007 Division III Men's Basketball Handbook, pp 16-17• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents
• Quality-of-Wins-Index (only contests versus regional competition)
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results vs. common regional opponents.
• In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams
Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the ranking/selection process only.
Conference postseason contest(s) is included.
Contest versus provisional members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.
(For more information on what Quality-of-Wins-Index, or QoWI, is and how it is calculated, please refer to the FAQ section of D3Hoops.com.)

A bit later on in the Handbook you find this telltale sentence:
Quote from: 2007 Division III Men's Basketball Handbook, p17Note: Media and/or coaches polls are not factors in the selection process.
[emphasis in original]

The regional committees each produce their rankings, then after the Pool A (automatic qualifiers) and Pool B (not in Pool A conferences) bids are extended, the national committee compares the highest-ranked un-selected team in each of the 8 regions, and selects one to receive a Pool C bid.  That team is replaced by the next-highest-ranked team in their region, and this process repeats until all 19 Pool C bids have been awarded.

There is "human analysis" involved, but only to the extent of comparing and contrasting teams within the five primary (and, if necessary, seven secondary) criteria.

earlhamalum

WoW I love Wooster Live updated stats.... Looks like Wooster has this one in the bag.  72-52 10:22 left in the 2nd half.  Tim Vandervaart is BACK  4-7 Fg 8 Rebounds   10 points...   Nice to see him able to come back.. Tom Port is killing Wooster is shooting 31-48 from the field. 
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kiltedbryan

#5707
Wabash leads Allegheny 53-46 early second half in Meadville. 

Live Stats here

UPDATE:  60-53 Wabash with 10 minutes left.
UPDATE: Allegheny regains the lead, 71-70 with 5:19 left.
UPDATE: Wabash 75-74, 3:19 left.  Turnover 'Gheny.  Zimmer makes them pay.  77-74 Bash.  Allegheny misses the jumper, Wabash rebound.  Zimmer again!  79-74 Wabash.  2:19 left.
UPDATE: Allegheny makes a layup (Torsney).  76-79 Bash.  Timeout Allegheny.
UPDATE: Wabash by 5, under 2 minutes to go.  Allegheny answers.  78-81 Bash.  Allegheny STEAL with a minute left!  Missed 3 pointer, Wabash rebounds.
UPDATE: 40 seconds left.  Allegheny starts fouling.

Wabash's Earl Rooks is good for both foul shots.  83-78 Bash.  Allegheny drills a 3!  83-81 Bash.  Timeout Gheny.  :22 seconds left on the clock.  Wabash wants to talk it over, too.

Allegheny has 6 guys in double figures, Wabash has 4.  Wabash leads on the boards, 35-27.

Wabash makes both foul shots again.  Then Wabash fouls Allegheny on a 3 point shot.  McCloskey makes Wabash pay, making all 3.  1 point game with 4 seconds left!  84-85 Bash.

Zimmer sinks them both.  87-84 Wabash with 3 seconds to go, and that's how it stays, as Bill Babe's last second 3 point attempt misses.  Wabash wins and will face Wooster on Friday.

kiltedbryan

#5708
Scots win 94-76.   :) 

Book your weekend tickets for Timken!

imderekpoe

From Springfield:  Witt 54    Hiram 37 with 7:03 left
From Meadville:  Wabash 64   Allegheny 55 with 9:19 left

imderekpoe

With tonight's win the Scots' QOWI drops from 10.316 to 10.000.  If Allegheny comes back against Wabash the Scots' rating falls to 9.800!

kiltedbryan

#5711
I think I found a final from Delaware:

OWU 60, Kenyon 54

Edit: Now confirmed by Wittenberg Webcast.

kiltedbryan

Quote from: cmhscots on February 20, 2007, 09:06:05 PM
With tonight's win the Scots' QOWI drops from 10.316 to 10.000.  If Allegheny comes back against Wabash the Scots' rating falls to 9.800!

Most of that QoWI damage comes from the fact that the loss makes Earlham a sub. 333 team in-region, right?  So Wooster gains 8 points (at home, below .333 team) and loses 4 of those because of the drop in the opponent they beat.  So a nice 4 point QoWI win for the Scots tonight.   :-\

imderekpoe


imderekpoe

Complete men's results:

Wooster 94             Earlham 76
Wittenberg 72         Hiram 49
Ohio Wesleyan 60    Kenyon 54
Wabash 87             Allegheny 84

Semi-Final Matchups Friday night at Timken Gym:
Ohio Wesleyan vs Wittenberg at 5:30
Wabash vs Wooster at 7:45