MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[ex_mu14]

From Matt's point of view, CUA fans and students would never do such a thing......It takes two to fight...

The Marymount thing started when the CUA students stole our mascot head during the game. They were passing the mascot head through the CUA student section....No players were involved in that though.

[Matt Letourneau]

Yes, I'm pretty confident in saying that CUA fans and students would never run across the court DURING a basketball game and then start throwing people around the bleachers.

The "Marymount" thing I'm talking about ended with DC Police hauling away a couple of scary looking dudes who looked they were concerned with things a lot more serious than a mascot head.  I was never sure what that was all about, but I suspect it didn't have anything to do with basketball and was more like a skirmish between rival groups that happened to be at that game.

FWIW, goonie's ground rules make a lot of sense.  I think you probably need to add "religion" to #1, other than that I agree.

For players, there's one big one--don't get into it with fans.  I'm not talking about the kind of good natured stuff that went on between Dickman and the Eagle fans, but players should not be going into the stands or making obscene gestures.  They need to be above what's happening in the crowd.

[mwgoonie]

1. No racial/sexual/disability/religion jabs
2. After the game, leave the refs alone.
3. Fans can cheer for their team, against/for refs, and against/for other teams, fans should not be threatening to fight opposing team's fans, etc. Just not classy.
4. Opposing fans, after the game, leave the game on the court/in the stands. Many times after games with heated cheering, I've ending talking with the opposing team's fans and talking about good/funny cheers for either side.
Same for players, keep your actions and head on the court.
5. For current students, if you're going to arrive with a measurable BAC, try to kep in perspective that your cheering may be offensive/go over the line with some fans (especially with children, etc) in the crowd.



Good additions.

[mwgoonie]

Congrats to UMW's Justin Baker for being named a Top 10 Finalist for the Josten's Trophy!

[Pat Coleman]

My biggest concern is not the talk about officiating, but rather the childish comments by some on this board. I, too, look forward to Thursday's game with Mary Wash. Should be a great one!

I stand by my comments. As a Catholic grad I would hope I'm allowed to be concerned about how other Catholic fans make us look.

[Pat Coleman]

I stand by the rule... not allowed to critical of refs for their work in an entire game when you are blowing a team out. Being critical of how they handled that incident is understandable, but a poster better point it out as the example... not a foul descrepency (sp?).

Exactly! There's a difference between bitching and moaning about fouls (or as that poster has done, a justified lack of respect in the Top 25) and complaining about a player pushing fans and not being ejected.

One is actual news. The other is just whining!

[Matt Letourneau]

Well, I will admit he was definitely burying the lead there, yes....

To focus on something positive, Pat, are you aware of any other school that has/had a 10 year 20-win streak?  It seems to me that that's pretty noteworthy.

[Pat Coleman]

There might be a couple but I can't name any in men's offhand. Southern Maine has won 20 games for 25-plus years in a row and Baldwin-Wallace just had an 11-year 20-win streak ended.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

My biggest concern is not the talk about officiating, but rather the childish comments by some on this board.

I stand by my comments and hope you aren't refering to them as childish. As a fan of this conference and one that has been impressed with CUA's basketball program for years... I am disappointed in the stories I hear about fans and the story about last night.

Well, I will admit he was definitely burying the lead there, yes....

Bury the lead? As a news/sports producer... I will tell you he NEVER mentioned the lead. The lead wasn't mentioned until I saw your posts.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Is it OK to mention that the officiating was good during Catholic's home losses to Goucher and Gallaudet. Who is anybody on this site to tell someone their post is dumb? Are you kidding me? I don't post too much, but I have been reading this site since Maloney played for Catholic. You can't imagine the volume of garbage that I have read over the years. I would never make a derogatory comment like the ones made by Mr. Coleman and other posters. Mr. Coleman, don't you think that a comment like the one you made may cause a poster not to post? Is that what you want for this site? Do you want to drive people away? Both you and D-Mac are affiliated with this site, and you should act with some degree of professionalism. 

What has been stated about the officiating at Catholic last night is quite accurate. They lost complete control of the situation. It is a crime that Odumero was not ejected! I sat 15 feet from where this took place. I almost got crushed as the "melee" came toward the stands. I had to get up and move rather quickly. This kind of poor officiating should, indeed, be talked about. 

I have tried hard not to respond to this... but will say some short comments.
Pat I know acts with a tremendous degress of professinalism and I know I represent myself and my work on this site with professionalism. Just because we both feel comments are not necessary or appropriate is not unprofessional... and there are rules!

As for the "melee"... since when are refs responsible for the conduct OFF the court! Sure, Odumero pushed a fan. Yes, the refs apparently did miss it. However... that is certainly a situation that is not expected ever at a game... and when refs are dealing with something else, I can see how they may not notice the push (wish they had, thought). But... the fans running across the court and fights starting IN the stands are the responsibility of the athletic institution. Quite blaming the refs.

[andre james smith]

Yeah Goonie, there is certainly no love for us on here... I guess people just can't handle us, whether it be in cyberspace or the sideline.

As for the game tomorrow, I look for UMW to play similar to how they did against York.  Full court pressure defense and pushing the ball on offense at all times.  It is no secret that UMW's strength is their guard play, and CUA's best bet against Mary Wash is to pound the ball inside.  If the Eagles can get Catholic out of their ryhthm on offense and make people take shots that they are not used to taking and rebound the misses, I think they will be in good shape.  It can really wear on a team to be pressed all night long, whether or not is produces tons of turnovers.  10 assists and only one tunover last night for Wasilenko is pretty impressive.  Mary Wash will have to stay in his face in order throw him off his game a little.

If UMW can shoot decent from 3 and keep the rebounding close, I think they have all the intangibles to pull off another "upset" and continue on.

[HopeConvert]

My biggest concern is not the talk about officiating, but rather the childish comments by some on this board. I, too, look forward to Thursday's game with Mary Wash. Should be a great one!

I stand by my comments. As a Catholic grad I would hope I'm allowed to be concerned about how other Catholic fans make us look.

I second that sentiment. Whatever else is the case, it happened at the DuFour and it reflects on the university. I hate to read about this kind of behavior on Catholic's campus. Additionally (I hope this isn't violating rule 1), Catholic is a religious school and I would hope the basic tenets of the faith might manifest itself in how students behave, and how the administration responds to such behavior. I am not saying the CU fans are responsible (I'm just going off the reports I've read here), but neither are they without any culpability I suspect.

[Cardinal guy]

Unfortunately, Salisbury is not. Though I don't recall that helping us out when the Marymount fans came across the floor at us.

To the experts in the room--does the CAC get two teams in any possible outcome this year?

[Matt Letourneau]

Oh give me a break.  The problem here was Salisbury students and players.  There were a couple of riled up CUA fans.  Those fans were dealt with right away and ejected.  The incident was over until the Salisbury player and the Salisbury fans decided they wanted to start a fight.

I've been to many other gyms all around the league.  Security at CUA games is at least as tight, if not tighter, than anywhere I've ever been to.  Public safety officers are posted through the building.  It was BECAUSE OF that that they were able to break this thing up without anybody getting hurt.  If this had happened at a place like Goucher, where I've really not seen much of a security precense (I don't mean to single them out, just an example of a gym I was at recently), it would have been a lot worse. 

Here's the bottom line--most of you commenting weren't there and didn't see the situation.  Now you are choosing to focus on something OTHER than what they real problem was.  That's fine, but frankly I'm finding this discussion downright stupid so its really not worth my time to continue arguing. 

My point all along was that the biggest problem in all of this was that a basketball player for a CAC team crossed the line, went over the stands, and instigated a physical altercation with a fan. 

[MuMu]

I hope the Thugs showed the Catholic boys what they need to learn before the real world starts

Congrats to Baker!