MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[BisonKiller]

Gallaudet....5-2 (2-0 CAC)

5 wins vs opponents whose total record is 8-30
2 loses vs opponents whose total record is 10-2



7 games vs opponents who are 18-32???

all the hoopla about a turnaround should be shot down until they play real teams...not a bunch of cupcakes

[thebison]

BisonKiller,

Thanks for the honor of a personalized handle- the fact that my talk isn't merely being dismissed and that you have to bother creating a handle just to trash us really does mean a lot! I wanted to say that I agreed with you completely because you're exactly right about our two losses being against teams with winning records. But I ask that we keep in mind that those two losses were by a combined margin of 11 points (6 and 5 respectively) and we were in both of those games until the very end, where freethrows separated the scores a little more. But my point is this- every single player on the team feels cheated out of those two wins because they all made mistakes of their own. None of these guys feel like they have played a team better than them, and they're at the realization that with the athleticism, talent, and experience, their biggest opponents are themselves.

And the very fact that we're finally winning games that we should be winning, instead of letting the easy ones get away from us like every year in the past, should tell you all that we're more serious contenders this year. You can't dismiss a team that has two senior CAC first teamers, either of whom could get POY honors... that says a lot about our arsenal.

Oh, and our schedule with teams of a combined 18-32 record is a little decieving, considering we've played Goucher. Take out their 0-7 record and our opponents' records are a combined 18-24, not a far cry from any other CAC teams.

[thebison]

Our record would be 18-25, I meant in my last post. Sorry for the bad math.

[Matt Letourneau]

Bison, hopefully you know that I have nothing but respect for Gally and its b-ball program--I certainly don't have any kind of agenda or axe to grind.

But I do have to object to your post--I think the only beef that's legit with regard to D-Mac's list is putting SAL ahead of Gallaudet. Since they have played head to head, its probably only fair to put Gally ahead of Salisbury.

But other than that, I just don't think you have much of case.  Gally might end up being pretty good, but their schedule has been very, very easy so far.  One of their wins (Franciscan) was against a club team that is not a member of D3, another was against a provisional D3 team.  Beating Salisbury by 3 at home is not particularly impressive as there is no doubt they are in the bottom half of the league. The other league win, while impressive in its margin, was against easily the worst team in the league. And John Jay is pretty terrible, too.

I would like to see Gally do well, believe me, but their schedule thus far really hasn't proven that they are in the top half of the league.  It HAS proven that they aren't the worst team in the league, and that in and of itself is progress.  I think they will give some of the good CAC teams fits, but at the end of the day nothing has happened that would lead me to believe they are better than York, Catholic, Mary Wash and SMC.

We'll see...the good thing for you is that time will tell.  Until though, I wouldn't get too worked up though.

[BisonKiller]

I agree with Matt....I do want Gally to do well...

however....BisonPride your argument is week...

sure....we can take away 0-7 Goucher.....while we are at it....we might as well take away 0-8 John Jay too....  Lets face it....  if we take away your CAC games...you're opponents total record is like 13-22 and your nonconference wins coming against teams that are combined 3-20....

Weak schedule.....  its almost like some of those Big 10 football teams playing against cupcakes early so that they can get into a bowl game.

Its been a long long time since Gallaudet was a CAC contender.  Gone are the days of Mike Kent dunking, Anthony Jones 3 pointing, Jeff Ploederl and John Perry scrapping.  That team was probably your best team ever (advancing into the 2nd round of CAC playoff)

[bisonpride]

That why, after the Goucher game (18th page of posting up), I did say that we know that there's a long way to go for us since the season is not over. The celebration haven't begin for us.

All I know that I didn't make decision about the schedule and to be honest, I still think that Goucher is a good team even though 0-7 record but they wouldn't give up. But I am surprise that they are 0-7, I know that they should have won at least one game this season prior to our Dec 3rd game. I, personality don't care about the standing prediction because anything can happen during the season for any and all of the CAC teams as well as whole NCAA teams. We, Gallaudet are going with the flow and try to grab and gaining the wins after wins from what it's need to take us to win.

[bisonpride]

To Bisonkiller..

It's thebison who argument about 0-7 Goucher, not me. I am not going into the argument. I am here to put on the Gallaudet game stats, results, facts with opinions that can be debate since I came in this posting up, not to put and drop by the arguments.

[Matt Letourneau]

Well, I think another thing we can debunk is that the Gally is under-represented here on the board!

[Coach C]

Yeah - this is as much talk as I have ever seen about Gally at any point in memory.

C

[thebison]

Not to be beating a dead horse here, because I agree with what you guys are saying. We haven't proved our worth to be considered so high in your rankings, and it wasn't my intention for to make you guys consider us at number three right now, and I remind you that I was saying that we would be making that statment as the year went on- and that we'd be doing our talking on the floor. I was making a bold prediction (which I stay with) saying that Gallaudet is capable of finishing out third this year. The reason I came on so strong was because nobody was taking us seriously. Now, I think you'll all be giving us a fair look

I know I came on with a splash here, but you'll see that I'm a fair observer and a lover of the game. And yeah, glad to see the under-representation is spoken for-

Now let's put all this Gally talk to rest until we win another game.

[unreallawns]

Salisbury has a road game tommorow at Messiah College.  Did anyone get a chance to see Messiah play against Marymount?  I saw the score but was wondering how Messiah looked.

[seahawks]

I, also, would like to see Gally do well but third might be pushing it.  Haney and Jackson are very good players and deserve the credit but fifth is more realistic and nothing for them to be upset about.  Hopefully, everyone caught that Duke game last night, it was painful for me to watch the end but it was a great college basketball game.  How bout them HOOSIERS!!!

Anybody know anything about Averett?? They come to SMC on saturday and I really do not know anything about them.  Maybe Matt can do some more investigative work and let me know all the details about Averett

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Bison fans... I put you below Salisbury because year in and year out I have thought this was going to be the year GAL finally would get out of the cellar... only to be disappointed.

Also, just because you have one win over a team doesn't mean at the end of the year you will finish above them (MATT!!!). In the LONG RUN... Salisbury will finish above GAL. The Bison would need at least a .500 record in the conference. That means they would have to beat everyone once.

However, I don't see them beating YCP or CUA twice. So now they have to sweep two teams.

Now, I can't see you sweeping UMW, SMC, or SAL. So that at least gives you three wins and seven losses (at best).

Then we have MMT... you might sweep them, so for arguements sake, lets give it to you. Now we are at 5 and 7.

That leaves Goucher... which you already have a win over... so you are 6 and 7. But I am not sure you can sweep. You will have travel to Goucher at the end of January (and after playing YCP) against a team that might finally have figured things out. If you sweep... you are at .500. If you don't, you are at 6-8 and in sixth.

[Matt Letourneau]

Man, D-Mac, I can't win..I write a post that spends most of the time defending your rankings and I get singled out again!

At this juncture, I don't have any reason to think Salisbury is any better than Gally is...the only game of any significance is the head to head, so I don't really see why I'm off base to suggest that, at least for now, its reasonable to put Gally ahead of Salisbury.

Who do you have York losing to---do you have CUA losing to them twice?

[mlb]

Well, it finally happened (it only took 3 polls) - Catholic is out of the top 25.  The loss to UMC hurt them in the eyes of the voters.

CUA literally destroyed Marymount on Saturday.  While I think that Catholic got Marymount on a "bad day" (I think that the team is far more capable than they showed at CUA), Marymount went north yesterday and destroyed a Farleigh-Dickinson team from the MAC.  The MAC is not a "weak" conference as it boasts teams like Kings, Lycoming and Scranton.

To the SID's that may read this, don't underestimate the CAC!

The teams in this conference have a great deal of talent.  The people that can make a difference and communicate the strength of the conference choose to spend time "hating" the other teams in the conference.  There are 3 teams in the top 25 with 2 losses already.  Granted, for the most part the losses are to teams in the rankings above them and therefore there is a "perceived" strength of schedule.  Does anyone doubt that York, CUA, UMC or SMC could go into the CCIW, MAC or other "strong" conference and be competitive?

It is going to take time, but a consistent message needs to be sent - THE CAC IS A STRONG CONFERENCE!

Stop the bias and watch the kids play.  Let's work on getting some recognition for the accomplishments of these schools.