MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[thebison]

BisonKiller,

Having been born deaf to deaf parents, I have to say I was quite amused with your description of a "classic deaf whipping." The only "deaf whipping" I can describe would be if someone whipped the **** out of a deaf person. But I couldn't think of how that'd apply to the basketball court, where if Gallaudet whips someone else, it would be categorized as either a blowout, debacle, or a good old fashioned ass-kicking.

Kitchenrat is right when he says that he remembers the drums and stomping when he sees Gallaudet or when he played MKSD (which for reference is now named NJSD), and this is more prevalent at deaf schools than hearing schools, but BisonKiller... "being so loud that the other team cannot hear each other"... are you telling me that other schools don't get that loud? Because if they don't, I'll be damned cuz that doesn't mean deaf people are louder, but that we have the best fans in the entire CAC.

And throwing toilet paper rolls when a ref makes a bad call- that's just plain misinformation. We throw toiletpaper rolls on the court when the first dunk of the season occurs at home, and only then. That tradition didnt continue this year because our first dunk came on the road, and we have no intentions of throwing any rolls of toiletpaper this year. If we did every time the ref made a bad call, nobody on campus would be able to wipe their asses. What we DO do however, when the refs make bad calls, is taunt him with jokes like, "Hows the job at footlocker," or occasionally I'll even offer him the use of my glasses. Booing the refs, sure we do that whenever one of our players gets called for a charge, or if we got called for a technical, but then again, doesn't every school do that?

I don't want to preach on about your ignorance, BisonKiller, especially since I'm sure countless people have pointed that out to you in the past. I'm just happy that you're countin on us to pull out a win tomorrow night, and who knows- we might turn it into a good old-fashioned blow-out.

But a classic deaf whipping? Well, only if we lose.

[Pat Coleman]

So you're saying the Associated Press story cited is incorrect? Are you disputing the facts or just providing your spin?

I asked earlier for someone to provide some information as to the outcome of the case in question. Perhaps you'd be willing to do so and end the speculation. I was hoping we could put this officially to rest in some manner.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pat (assuming you're referring to the Lesesne situation) and Matt,

Have you actually calculated what 46 grams amounts to?  That is considerably LESS than 4 ounces - what a MAJOR drug bust!  Since the statute of limitations has long since run out since my 'toker' days, I'll say from personal experience  that that is NOT a dealer, that is a personal stash.  Whatever the cops may have said, dealers are measured in pounds (or kilos), not in ounces!

[cuabigdog]

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Division III D3hoops.com College Basketball Poll
Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. Illinois Wesleyan Titans (25)  5-0  625  1
2. Wooster (OH) Fighting Scots  6-0  588  2
3. Wittenberg (OH) Tigers  5-0  567  3
4. Amherst (MA) Lord Jeffs  4-0  517  4
5. Puget Sound (WA) Loggers  4-1  516  5
6. York (PA) Spartans  4-0  489  6
7. Albion (MI) Britons  4-1  410  9
8. Hope (MI) Flying Dutchmen  6-0  390  14
9. Lawrence (WI) Vikings  5-0  379  15
10. WPI (MA) Engineers  7-0  375  10
11. Gustavus Adolphus (MN) Golden Gusties 5-0  333  13
12. Randolph-Macon (VA) Yellow Jackets  5-1  257  11
13. Hanover (IN) Panthers  4-2  234  8
14. Wisconsin-Oshkosh Titans  2-2  228  7
15. Wartburg (IA) Knights  4-1  217  18
16. Rochester (NY) Yellowjackets  5-2  177  12
17. Augustana (IL) Vikings  4-0  169  25
18. St. John Fisher (NY) Cardinals  2-1  168  17
19. Albright (PA) Lions  5-0  140  NR
20. Elmhurst (IL) Bluejays  3-2  131  22
21. Baldwin-Wallace (OH) Yellow Jackets  5-1  127  NR
22. Wisconsin-Stout Blue Devils  5-1  118  NR
23. Lincoln (PA) Lions  7-1  115  NR
24. Hampden-Sydney (VA) Tigers  5-0  110  NR
25. Ramapo (NJ) Roadrunners  4-1  108  24
Others Receiving Votes: John Carroll 97, Maryville (Tenn.) 96, Catholic 86, Carnegie Mellon 79, Mississippi College 64, UW-Stevens Point 60, Ohio Northern 47, Transylvania 22, Potsdam State 19, Trinity (Texas) 15, Carroll 15, Widener 12, Rutgers-Newark 7, UW-Whitewater 4, St. Thomas 4, Mary Washington 4, Calvin 3, Hamilton 2, New Jersey City 1. 


As of December 6, 2005, at 10:53 AM ET

[Pat Coleman]

Pat (assuming you're referring to the Lesesne situation) and Matt,

Have you actually calculated what 46 grams amounts to?  That is considerably LESS than 4 ounces - what a MAJOR drug bust!  Since the statute of limitations has long since run out since my 'toker' days, I'll say from personal experience  that that is NOT a dealer, that is a personal stash.  Whatever the cops may have said, dealers are measured in pounds (or kilos), not in ounces!

Appears the law thinks otherwise. I'm only dealing in what the law states, not your personal experiences, thankfully.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pat, noted!

Just sticking up for the player.  Unless there was evidence that he was temporarily low, waiting for a new shipment, he was NOT a dealer!

There are lots of idiocies in our drug laws.  For example, did you know that mandatory minimums kick in at 5 grams of crack but 500 grams of powdered cocaine?  It is the SAME drug.  But (golly, gee) it was (primarily) rich white folks who were doing powder when the law passed, but (primarily) poor and/or black folks who were doing crack - I'm SURE that is purely a coincidence!

[Matt Letourneau]

I simply posted an Associated Press story about Tyson Lesense, which quoted a police official saying he had been charged with posession with intent to distribute an illegal substance.  That's it.  If anyone has any more public (or private, I suppose) articles or documents about that case, by all means, post them up.  A story which appeared in the world's largest newswire is hardly gossip, however.  Nor is it my personal opinion (which I did express about St. Mary's and last year's debacle, but not this particular individual).  I'm sorry that some people don't like that it is in the public domain, but it is. 

Ypsi--so if its just a personal stash, its ok, is that it? But actually, I just did a little google search...apparently, the average 'joint' contains between .5-1 gram of marijuana. So 46 grams equals 46-92 joints. That's a bit much for personal use, no?

With all this excitement about deaf whipping, nobody has noted that  York went into Albright and beat them handily.  Now THAT is worth discussing.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Ypsi--so if its just a personal stash, its ok, is that it?

Well, in my personal view, YES.

But in the eyes of the law, it is still sharply different between 'personal stash' and dealer.

And I have seen no EVIDENCE that the player was in fact ever a dealer (and even if he were, aren't we to treat someone after the punishment as innocent until proven guilty?).

Bottom line - he has paid his debt to society; he now has the same rights as you or me.  Give the kid a break!

[ycp]

Details from Yorks' 89-71 win at #19 Albright.....

The Spartans were led by sophomore standout Chad McGowan as the forward notched a game-high 26 points with four rebounds, four assists, and a blocked shot. McGowan was 10-for-15 from the floor including 2-of-4 from three. He also converted  four of his seven free throw attempts. Senior captain Brandon Bushey recorded his best game of the season as he added 15 points, two rebounds and two assists. Bushey was 5-for-9 from the floor including 3-of-4 from the charity stripe. Brian Singer added 11 points and four rebounds in 16 minutes of work. Kenny Fass was the fourth Spartan in double figures with 10 points, five rebounds, an assist and a steal.

The lights went out in the building with 1:06 left in the game. Thank goodness the game was already decided or that could have made for an interesting end of the game.

A very strong effort by the Spartans but a tough road test at Salisbury awaits on Saturday.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Matt, you edited your post while I was composing mine!

Despite google, unless folks are rolling them a WHOLE lot tighter than we did 'back in the day', those figures are ridiculous - 2-3 grams per joint is more like it (thus VASTLY smaller numbers than you presented).  But EVEN if your numbers were accurate, I see nothing out of the ordinary for a PERSONAL stash.  Your attempt to portray the player as a dealer is NOT accepted.

[Matt Letourneau]

I am not trying to portray the player as anything.  The police were.

Now, you were kind enough to share your personal drug experiences with us to make the case that the amount of pot the police found was not significant.  That's your opinion.  After I posted, I did get curious as to exactly how many grams go into a joint, and that is what I found.  I imagine it depends on user preferences.

The only personal concern I have ever expressed is with the St. Mary's program, not the player, with the exception of the fact that the potential is now there for the CAC to have a 24 year old player.

[thebison]

Yspi- Weed isn't like it was back in the day- it's more potent and a lot more expensive- yes, 46 grams was a stash back in the day, but it's hellva lot to be hanging on to today, and probably has a street value of almost $1,000-  and .6 grams of weed today probably has a better punch than the 2-3 grams of grass back then.  So Tyson likely dealt back then, but then again SO WHAT? He's paid his debt, and as long as he's passing his drug tests I have no qualms.

But Matt, your posting this story isn't gossip, you're right, but it's seriously outdated. It'd be as relevant as me arguing that Gallaudet's "Iron 5" team back in the 40's makes a case for the quality of the Bison's basketball program today. It's just not newsworthy and you spurred a lot of interesting, but unnecessary debate. (hey, I did the same with my previous posts too)

Can we move on and start talking some more basketball? Tomorrow Gally should handle Wesley pretty easily and finish the semester with its best-ever fall record under Coach D at 7-2... the 2nd semester we'll get Senior 6'6 Center Bradley Miller back to help out in the paint, and get settled in for a grueling 2nd half of the season. If Gally loses tomorrow, I'll just stop posting here for good and call this season a wash.

[Pat Coleman]

the potential is now there for the CAC to have a 24 year old player.

This is not unusual in Division III.

[Pat Coleman]

It'd be as relevant as me arguing that Gallaudet's "Iron 5" team back in the 40's makes a case for the quality of the Bison's basketball program today.

It does. But it's the quality of the women's team, since Kitty Baldridge's dad was one of the Iron 5.

And I would dispute your assertion. None of the Iron 5 is a current player, whereas the previous topic of discussion does include one.

[muchacho]

The only personal concern I have ever expressed is with the St. Mary's program, not the player, with the exception of the fact that the potential is now there for the CAC to have a 24 year old player.

You posted an article about Lesesne and his shaky past, and then bashed the St. Mary's program for taking in players who you feel don't belong Letourneau. I believe the term you used was "ringer?" I don't know if yousaid anything directly about the player, but it doesn't take a genius to read between the lines.
Anybody who has been through college should know that the college process isn't a clean 4 years and done for every person. People have issues in their personal life which effect their attendance, and this is true of student athletes too. There is no problem with a 24 year old D3 athlete, and I played alongside guys who were as old as 26 when I was a D3 athlete.
Your posts on this issue are obviously filled with a personal bias, but just be mature about it and admit it. If you believe people who are charged with drug offenses or who will be older than age 22 by the time they are seniors should not play d3 basetball, than go ahead and say so. Just be prepared to know that a lot of people won't agree with you.