MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[eaglemaniac]

Matt, you edited your post while I was composing mine!

Despite google, unless folks are rolling them a WHOLE lot tighter than we did 'back in the day', those figures are ridiculous - 2-3 grams per joint is more like it (thus VASTLY smaller numbers than you presented).  But EVEN if your numbers were accurate, I see nothing out of the ordinary for a PERSONAL stash.  Your attempt to portray the player as a dealer is NOT accepted.

You seem to have a misguided interpretation of the law. Last time I checked it was Illegal to use or distribute drugs.

[kitchenrat]

Big win for the Green and White last night against a ranked and previously undefeated team. I think I can stop talking about how people need to take notice of Chad McGowan and the impact he will have on the CAC this year, cause if there is a coach out there who isn't thinking about Chad they are going to be sorry. It was good to see Bushy get back into double figures, and also nice to see that the shooters were back all over the floor but particularly from downtown. Another well balanced attack from everyone who laced em up last night. If I figured correctly the CAC is now 1-4 vs the MACC and YCP gets another shot on Monday in a game at Juniata.(and then Messiah and Leb Val in January) Not that I'm looking past Salisbury which is the biggest game of the year, up until this point, for York.
   As an aside: Matt I have no problem with you posting the story that appeared in the paper, and I don't see it as gossip. Mr. Lesesne, I'm sure part of your sons hard work to get back in school has been coming to an awareness that he made a mistake and he cant run away from the ramifications. We all have to live with what we have done, and although we get a second chance to do many things, our past doesn't get stricken from the public domain.
   I do have to take disagree with one of Matt's points however. I have no problem with a player in college who is taking classes, paying tuition and making the grade playing a sport, period. I don't care if he or she is 18, 38 or 98. If you pay, and can play you should be allowed. When I was at York we had a guard named Dan Rexroth who took a different path to his enrolment in College than most. Namely he was a full time student, worked full time, was a starter on the basketball team and was in his mid 20's. After he got run around the court by guys who had the same skill level as he did, but, were 4 or 5 years younger he sure didn't seem to have an advantage. What he did have was the ability and right to compete despite his age He also had a passion for basketball and a desire to get a College education. When you put those things together you get all that is good and right about D3. STUDENT athletes, no matter their age, or prior life experiences.   

[Matt Letourneau]

Yeah, as to the age thing, I don't want to imply that it was against the rules or even wrong, but its something to think about.  I see your point, Rat. But it seems like it would be  unfair to the younger guys who don't have years to hone their skills and work out, but I don't know that anything can be done about it though.  It isn't happening all that much, either.

Btw, its hard to 'move on to talking about basketball' if people keep bringing this up.  I was done with it a week ago. I don't mind it being discussed, but I'm not the one prolonging the discussion at this point.

[sunny]

But it seems like it would be  unfair to the younger guys who don't have years to hone their skills and work out, but I don't know that anything can be done about it though. 

Actually, in a lot of these instances, the older guys who haven't been in school are not in top shape and/or not at the peak of their games when they come back or start school.  There are certainly exceptions, but a lot of these older student-athletes have been away from a regimented training program and/or a highly-organized version of whatever sport they play for an extended period of time and that is hardly an advantage.

Besides, 24 may be six years older than 18, but it's only a couple years older than a lot of seniors are anyway.  Is there that much natural physical difference between a 21-year old and a 24-year old - or a 26-year old for that matter?  Obviously, players who play in college and then go pro are usually better at 26 than at 21, but that has a lot more to do with the experience of playing against top competition night in and night out and learning from top college and pro coaches and players than it does with age, in my opinion.  The one advantage I might give an older player is "wisdom" or "street smarts" - they may have faced more pressure situations in life in general and could have a mental edge, but, I think that varies widely on a person-to-person basis.

[mwgoonie]

Wow,

these conversations are way more off the topic than those heated CUA vs MWC clashes of Jesus in the stands and of fan altercations.

[mwgoonie]

I heard that Mike Lee said he was gonna drop 40 on CUA in the Dufour Center.


Boo yah

[BisonKiller]

the potential is now there for the CAC to have a 24 year old player.

This is not unusual in Division III.

Theres a 35 year old player at Gallaudet 

[Matt Letourneau]

Actually, in a lot of these instances, the older guys who haven't been in school are not in top shape and/or not at the peak of their games when they come back or start school.  There are certainly exceptions,

Right. Well, this is one of those exceptions.

Sooner or later, Mike Lee is gonna drop more than he has been so far, I suspect.  Just hope its not against Catholic!

EDIT-well I screwed those quotes up, but you get the point.

[mapper]

whats the word for the VJC vs CUA game tonight? 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

BASKETBAL!!!

Congrats to YCP on their big win. They certainly showed they deserve a high ranking... even if the Top-25 poll at this time of the year is VERY fluid.

I would be interested to see how teams finish this semester. Sometimes there are "cake" games (UMW vs. Bible Lancaster)... and sometimes tough ones (YCP vs. Albright or Goucher vs. LVC). There are a lot of teams that certainly do not want to put themselves into a hole before the break. It would only result in them having to waste January trying to dig out... instead of keeping up their success.

A look ahead (in order of the conference rankings)...
- UMW (5-1, 2-0)... Tough road ahead after an easy game this week. Shenandoah, Wartburg and then either UW-Oshkosh or Aurora will show us whether or not we can take the Eagles seroiusly come January.
- GAL (5-2, 2-0)... are the Bison for real? Unfortunetly, they only have Wesley tonight before they are done for a month. A win tonight will certainly raise more eyebrows... but that month layoff could result in a let-down.
- YCP (5-0, 1-0)... can't have a let down after last night's win. They have an important CAC game against SAL this weekend before playing Juanita on Monday. Would be nice if they remained undefeated before an interesting holiday tournament.
- CUA (5-1, 1-1)... needs to get past VJC tonight... not that VJC isn't good (I think they are better than people give them credit for), but that regional loss could really hurt the Cards in the long run. They then have an easy finish with Davidson and McDaniel... so tonight is very important.
- SMC (4-2, 1-1)... busy finish for the Seahawks. Averett (10th), Davidson (15th), Washington College (17th), and Wesley (19th) will be a good test and barometer before the break. They are more talented this year (despite the "reports" and "rumors") and getting through this stretch 4-0 or 3-1 would be a very good sign.
- SAL (5-4, 0-1)... of course they have the Spartans ahead. The Seagulls are my sleeper pick in this league... and win over the Spartans would certainly help that prediction. Considering that is their only game until the new year... it will certainly be a huge momentum win for the break - should they get it.
- MMT (3-4, 0-2)... one game... Averett on the schedule before the break. Not sure if anything can be gauge from it... but relatively easy tournament at the beginning of the year... and a moderatly tough one the next weekend... a win on the 11th could result in a long winning streak.
- GOU (0-7, 0-2)... needs to find a wi.. Saturday's game at home against LVC might not be the place to find it. And with #9 Lawrence on the 29th the Gophers next game... they might be looking at their first win at Beloit on the 30th.

[Matt Letourneau]

Just curious---how is Davidson an easy finish for CUA?

They're a decent Division I team at home...You probably mean that it doesn't really matter what happens there (and I know your feelings on D3's playing D1's), but 'easy' isn't quite the right word for what that game is going to be!

[sunny]

Actually, in a lot of these instances, the older guys who haven't been in school are not in top shape and/or not at the peak of their games when they come back or start school.  There are certainly exceptions,

Right. Well, this is one of those exceptions.

Sooner or later, Mike Lee is gonna drop more than he has been so far, I suspect.  Just hope its not against Catholic!

EDIT-well I screwed those quotes up, but you get the point.

Exactly.  My point was that your focus on age is misguided.  It sounds like you have more of a problem with Division I transfers whom you feel have checkered pasts than you do with age.

[CoachMarker]

Oh wow, my first post.  Now that I am removed from YCP and D3hoops, I have been checkin the site to read up on the Spartans.  So, I thought I would join the madness.  Looks as if Coach Gamber has it goin again!  Go Spartans! Hope to see you all soon!  ~AO

[mlb]

CUA an easy finish against Davidson?

Did you see that they beat Missouri last night by 9?  Weren't they 14-2 in their conference last year?

I understand that it's a D-I game, but a loss is a loss.  I love the David & Goliath thing, but Davidson is a huge hurdle for CUA.  While CUA had a great shot to beat American in their exhibition finale, Davidson is a large step beyond.  In my mind, there is no such thing as a "morale victory".  What is that in this case anyhow - staying within 30 of a quality D-I opponent?  Not the way any program wants to go into a break.  I don't care if it "doesn't count" for seedings, the kids still have to put it behind them.

[mlb]

Not that I want to spend time on the "non-basketball" stuff, but there is a huge difference in the age of a player.  Of course that will depend on what the player does to develop, but the opportunity is there.  If you want to see a dramatic example, look at Shaq as a sophomore at LSU and then five years later in the NBA.  By the way, that is also why D-I programs red shirt.

The age thing is irrelevant because it is within the rules.  However, don't try sweep it under the rug with fabrications.  It could very well make a difference by the time the kid is a senior and the rest of the league will have to deal with it.