MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 12, 2015, 02:04:19 PM

Yes... that is the confusion. By one definition that is how it is treated - though it would be on their overall record in secondary criteria. However, there was a change to how P1 and P2 are considered - allowing them to count towards the 70% in-region numbers - that has seemed to also indicate they are counting towards SOS and in-region WL%. That is the confusion. We have inquired to the NCAA who has been very good at getting back to us/me in a timely manner. We will share what we learn when we learn it.

Seahawk Pride · February 12, 2015, 02:06:10 PM

Thanks!

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 12, 2015, 04:58:00 PM

OK... the confusion was based on some miscommunication - I misunderstood what was being relayed to me.

The Alfred State game will not count towards primary criteria, but will be available in the overall record looked at in secondary criteria.

Seahawk Pride · February 12, 2015, 10:06:12 PM

Thank you, Dave. I appreciate the extra home work to see if the mid-week trip was going to harm my Seahawks.

SMCM prevails 91-58 in a game that could have been much worse if coach Harney wanted to really crush the. 13 players played over 10 minutes tonight at Alfred State. Laguere finished with 17 points, six rebounds, three assists and two steals in 20 minutes of action.

The Hawks will be back in action at home versus Wesley on Saturday. Every game late in the season is a big one. Anyone want to pick games for Saturday? I was 5/5 on Saturday and then 3/5 on Wednesday (picked two upsets that didn't happen).

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 13, 2015, 02:52:51 PM

I will say this about the Alfred State game... St. Mary's I don't think needed it. I know they were scrambling to find games to make up for the lost tournament especially since last year having Southern Virginia as games that technically didn't count may have hurt SMC's chances at the post-season... but unless the committees get to secondary criteria and an extra win is beneficial... I am not sure I would have added that game - especially on the road (8 hours on a bus).

Swish3 · February 13, 2015, 03:40:06 PM

CNU's been a little unfortunate w/the injury bug lately, but I look for them to win a close one against Marymount tomorrow, which would then set up a big clash at St. Mary's. If the Captains can get by Marymount, hopefully everyone would be healthy by Wednesday....

GO CAPS!

Seahawk Pride · February 15, 2015, 02:13:27 PM

SMCM really dominated Wesley on Saturday as they celebrated the senior day for Laguerre, Jordan, and MacGuiver. It was a really physical game from start to finish. The CNU win gives SMCM a little bit of wiggle room as they now have a 2 game lead in the loss column in the CAC. This sets up a big game at home versus CNU on Wednesday. It should be a fantastic game and an opportunity for some pay back from the Seahawks loss at CNU earlier in the season.

A big congratulations to coach Chris Harney who tallied his 200th win in his fist ten years as the head coach at SMCM. What an unbelievable feat for a coach to average over 20 wins over his first ten years!!!!

Swish3 · February 16, 2015, 10:01:55 AM

Even if CNU beats St. Mary's on Wednesday, I don't see them losing at Southern Virginia, so the Seahawks practically have the number 1 seed wrapped up. At a minimum, the Captains need to stay out of that number 4 seed....how big was that SVU loss?!?!

GO CAPS!

Seahawk Pride · February 16, 2015, 11:24:43 AM

Does anyone know who would hold the tie breakers if there is a tie (two-way or three-way)? Should be a huge game this Wednesday at home versus CNU. SMCM is playing pretty well right now and they don't usually lose at home (undefeated this year) and an amazing record over Coach Harney's career at home. I wonder where SMCM will rank in the regional rankings on Wednesday. They had a 3-0 week and four of the teams ahead of them lost once. I am also eager to see if they creep into the top 25 on D3Hoops. They sit in 12th on Bennett rank.

Swish: SVU has been playing everyone tough lately. Should be a tough get on the road....especially on their Senior Day.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 16, 2015, 11:47:40 AM

Quote from: Seahawk Pride on February 16, 2015, 11:24:43 AM
Does anyone know who would hold the tie breakers if there is a tie (two-way or three-way)? Should be a huge game this Wednesday at home versus CNU. SMCM is playing pretty well right now and they don't usually lose at home (undefeated this year) and an amazing record over Coach Harney's career at home. I wonder where SMCM will rank in the regional rankings on Wednesday. They had a 3-0 week and four of the teams ahead of them lost once. I am also eager to see if they creep into the top 25 on D3Hoops. They sit in 12th on Bennett rank.

Swish: SVU has been playing everyone tough lately. Should be a tough get on the road....especially on their Senior Day.

If there's a three-way tie (I assume you mean for second, in this case) and all three teams are 1-1 against each other - the next tiebreaker is record against other teams in the conference from top to bottom. If that still doesn't sort things out, it's a coin toss.

Seahawk Pride · February 16, 2015, 12:10:51 PM

Thanks! I hate the thought of a coin toss deciding anything, but I understand....

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 16, 2015, 12:14:42 PM

Better than the old way of having a predetermined number order - drawn at the beginning of the academic year and used for every single sport.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 16, 2015, 04:25:16 PM

I get going top to bottom for ties below first place - but it's never made much sense to me to reward a championship based on losing to the worst teams. That's essentially what happens - two teams finish 12-2, say - they beat each other. But team A's other loss is to the worst team in the conference, while team B lost to the 3rd place squad. With a top-to-bottom tiebreaker, Team A get the championship.

I'd personally rather give it to the team who lost to the best teams, not the one who lost to the worst.

7express · February 16, 2015, 04:32:43 PM

Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 16, 2015, 04:25:16 PM

I get going top to bottom for ties below first place - but it's never made much sense to me to reward a championship based on losing to the worst teams. That's essentially what happens - two teams finish 12-2, say - they beat each other. But team A's other loss is to the worst team in the conference, while team B lost to the 3rd place squad. With a top-to-bottom tiebreaker, Team A get the championship.

I'd personally rather give it to the team who lost to the best teams, not the one who lost to the worst.

Over in the LEC if Plymouth State & Southern Maine finished tied for last, should we punish Plymouth State and give them the 8 seed because they were able to beat the #1 team Eastern Connecticut, and Southern Maine finishes 0-2 against them?? Those head-to-head top to bottom tiebreakers work both ways too.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 16, 2015, 06:20:24 PM

Quote from: 7express on February 16, 2015, 04:32:43 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on February 16, 2015, 04:25:16 PM

I get going top to bottom for ties below first place - but it's never made much sense to me to reward a championship based on losing to the worst teams. That's essentially what happens - two teams finish 12-2, say - they beat each other. But team A's other loss is to the worst team in the conference, while team B lost to the 3rd place squad. With a top-to-bottom tiebreaker, Team A get the championship.

I'd personally rather give it to the team who lost to the best teams, not the one who lost to the worst.

Over in the LEC if Plymouth State & Southern Maine finished tied for last, should we punish Plymouth State and give them the 8 seed because they were able to beat the #1 team Eastern Connecticut, and Southern Maine finishes 0-2 against them?? Those head-to-head top to bottom tiebreakers work both ways too.

Right, that's why I said it makes sense if the tie is in the middle of the pack, it just doesn't make sense for teams below. I'd simply make it an extra tiebreaker - go through the teams above you top to bottom and the teams below you bottom to top. It's not really any more complicated than what is there now and a lot more fair (in my opinion).