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Swish3

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Man, I didn't see this one coming, but CNU will be on the road playing Morrisville State at Swarthmore, the Centennial Conference champ...the CNU women must be hosting, which will be officially announced soon, otherwise the men would have been playing at the Free this weekend...happy for the women, but bummed for the men. :-\

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
Man, I didn't see this one coming, but CNU will be on the road playing Morrisville State at Swarthmore, the Centennial Conference champ...the CNU women must be hosting, which will be officially announced soon, otherwise the men would have been playing at the Free this weekend...happy for the women, but bummed for the men. :-\

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!


What really stinks is the way they bracketed means they won't be hosting sectionals either.  No one in the SJF pod can drive to CNU.  There's no combination of teams where CNU hosting can happen.  They'll have to be road warriors to get back to Salem.
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Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
Man, I didn't see this one coming, but CNU will be on the road playing Morrisville State at Swarthmore, the Centennial Conference champ...the CNU women must be hosting, which will be officially announced soon, otherwise the men would have been playing at the Free this weekend...happy for the women, but bummed for the men. :-\

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!


What really stinks is the way they bracketed means they won't be hosting sectionals either.  No one in the SJF pod can drive to CNU.  There's no combination of teams where CNU hosting can happen.  They'll have to be road warriors to get back to Salem.

Honestly, CNU was in trouble to host the second weekend from the get-go... there just weren't enough good teams in their area to get them to host. If we look at the map, they ended out on an island in a year when the ODAC was down.
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Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
Man, I didn't see this one coming, but CNU will be on the road playing Morrisville State at Swarthmore, the Centennial Conference champ...the CNU women must be hosting, which will be officially announced soon, otherwise the men would have been playing at the Free this weekend...happy for the women, but bummed for the men. :-\

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!


What really stinks is the way they bracketed means they won't be hosting sectionals either.  No one in the SJF pod can drive to CNU.  There's no combination of teams where CNU hosting can happen.  They'll have to be road warriors to get back to Salem.

Honestly, CNU was in trouble to host the second weekend from the get-go... there just weren't enough good teams in their area to get them to host. If we look at the map, they ended out on an island in a year when the ODAC was down.

Right, but based on the bracket, they're the top seed in that section, but geography has struck again.
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Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2017, 08:40:24 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on February 27, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
Man, I didn't see this one coming, but CNU will be on the road playing Morrisville State at Swarthmore, the Centennial Conference champ...the CNU women must be hosting, which will be officially announced soon, otherwise the men would have been playing at the Free this weekend...happy for the women, but bummed for the men. :-\

GO CAPS!  GO CAC!


What really stinks is the way they bracketed means they won't be hosting sectionals either.  No one in the SJF pod can drive to CNU.  There's no combination of teams where CNU hosting can happen.  They'll have to be road warriors to get back to Salem.

Honestly, CNU was in trouble to host the second weekend from the get-go... there just weren't enough good teams in their area to get them to host. If we look at the map, they ended out on an island in a year when the ODAC was down.

Right, but based on the bracket, they're the top seed in that section, but geography has struck again.

Sure... they are the top seed... but many top seeds suffer from this in the second weekend sadly. Just in case anyone didn't know (Ryan knows).
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Swish3


Swish3

So, this is the second straight year that CNU, the #1 seed in their bracket again, is the only team that has to fly (from VA to MA, no less) to the sectional...the way the NCAA treats division 3 athletics is pitiful!  Use this as a little added motivation again, CNU!

GO CAPS!

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: Swish3 on March 05, 2017, 07:39:37 PM
So, this is the second straight year that CNU, the #1 seed in their bracket again, is the only team that has to fly (from VA to MA, no less) to the sectional...the way the NCAA treats division 3 athletics is pitiful!  Use this as a little added motivation again, CNU!

GO CAPS!

Swish... they don't treat anyone pitifully... this is the guidelines and rules we live by in Division III. It isn't a shock. If you think the players and coaching staff are somehow shocked by this, you may be surprised. It is par for the course. Blame Ramapo if you want... the game would have at least been there if the Roadrunners had won.

Or blame the rest of the teams in your area. If the ODAC had been stronger or teams closer to you had been capable of putting better seasons together... the games could have been in CNU.

But let's not call this pitiful. They are in the NCAA tournament and last year proved they don't need to be at home. This year is far more difficult because DIII has gotten far more difficult.
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Swish3

#4118
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 08:30:46 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 05, 2017, 07:39:37 PM
So, this is the second straight year that CNU, the #1 seed in their bracket again, is the only team that has to fly (from VA to MA, no less) to the sectional...the way the NCAA treats division 3 athletics is pitiful!  Use this as a little added motivation again, CNU!

GO CAPS!

Swish... they don't treat anyone pitifully... this is the guidelines and rules we live by in Division III. It isn't a shock. If you think the players and coaching staff are somehow shocked by this, you may be surprised. It is par for the course. Blame Ramapo if you want... the game would have at least been there if the Roadrunners had won.

Or blame the rest of the teams in your area. If the ODAC had been stronger or teams closer to you had been capable of putting better seasons together... the games could have been in CNU.

But let's not call this pitiful. They are in the NCAA tournament and last year proved they don't need to be at home. This year is far more difficult because DIII has gotten far more difficult.

I'm not shocked, and I know the players and coaching staff aren't either...we all know how it works, but I was just voicing my displeasure w/the process, which is a legitimate gripe.  The only one to blame is the NCAA...CNU is the #1 seed and has to fly to Babson...if they weren't deserving, I wouldn't be complaining.  As a fan and average person that works Monday through Friday, how the heck am I supposed to drive or fly from VA to MA for the weekend?  If you ask me, the whole thing is pitiful...AND, this is the second consecutive year that the exact same thing has happened!  Can you really blame me for being frustrated?  Hopefully, CNU will win both games and make it back to the final four, but the NCAA has once again made it that much harder....

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.
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Swish3

#4120
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.

Looks like Babson was #2 in the final rankings....

The bottom line is, the NCAA puts money ahead of complete and total fairness, which is sad...as a long time, passionate fan of CNU, I know these opportunities are far and few between, and it's a shame when a team is not rewarded for their accomplishments because of financial implications.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.

Looks like Babson was #2 in the final rankings....

The bottom line is, the NCAA puts money ahead of complete and total fairness, which is sad...as a long time, passionate fan of CNU, I know these opportunities are far and few between, and it's a shame when a team is not rewarded for their accomplishments because of financial implications.

No, really the d3 priority is that athletes be students first.  It comes through in the recruitment and contact rules.  It comes through in travel.  We're used to our sports being maximized for "fairness," but that's not the Division III philosophy.  Minimizing travel is a core tenet of the division.  Yes, the committee's job is to maximize fairness, but they have to do so within the limits of the division that aren't as concerned with those things.

Yes, it's more travel for teams geographically isolated, but it's less for everyone else.  It helps to look through the lens of "student" when viewing how d3 does things.  They're working as hard as they can to make sure d3 student athletes are students first.  That's what I love about the division, personally, but I'm sorry your guys are getting the raw end of it.
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Swish3

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 09:03:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.

Looks like Babson was #2 in the final rankings....

The bottom line is, the NCAA puts money ahead of complete and total fairness, which is sad...as a long time, passionate fan of CNU, I know these opportunities are far and few between, and it's a shame when a team is not rewarded for their accomplishments because of financial implications.

No, really the d3 priority is that athletes be students first.  It comes through in the recruitment and contact rules.  It comes through in travel.  We're used to our sports being maximized for "fairness," but that's not the Division III philosophy.  Minimizing travel is a core tenet of the division.  Yes, the committee's job is to maximize fairness, but they have to do so within the limits of the division that aren't as concerned with those things.

Yes, it's more travel for teams geographically isolated, but it's less for everyone else.  It helps to look through the lens of "student" when viewing how d3 does things.  They're working as hard as they can to make sure d3 student athletes are students first.  That's what I love about the division, personally, but I'm sorry your guys are getting the raw end of it.

...again!  Flying the #1 seed from southeastern VA to NY, then MA in consecutive years is totally unfair to CNU however you slice it...as they say, though, life ain't fair!  CNU has a chance to win the sectional at Babson, and I hope they do, which would truly be just!

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 09:03:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.

Looks like Babson was #2 in the final rankings....

The bottom line is, the NCAA puts money ahead of complete and total fairness, which is sad...as a long time, passionate fan of CNU, I know these opportunities are far and few between, and it's a shame when a team is not rewarded for their accomplishments because of financial implications.

No, really the d3 priority is that athletes be students first.  It comes through in the recruitment and contact rules.  It comes through in travel.  We're used to our sports being maximized for "fairness," but that's not the Division III philosophy.  Minimizing travel is a core tenet of the division.  Yes, the committee's job is to maximize fairness, but they have to do so within the limits of the division that aren't as concerned with those things.

Yes, it's more travel for teams geographically isolated, but it's less for everyone else.  It helps to look through the lens of "student" when viewing how d3 does things.  They're working as hard as they can to make sure d3 student athletes are students first.  That's what I love about the division, personally, but I'm sorry your guys are getting the raw end of it.

...again!  Flying the #1 seed from southeastern VA to NY, then MA in consecutive years is totally unfair to CNU however you slice it...as they say, though, life ain't fair!  CNU has a chance to win the sectional at Babson, and I hope they do, which would truly be just!

Well, if they need some bulletin board fodder, I can provide it (it seems I've done plenty of that already).  I love CNU.  I love the team, the coach, the guys.  They're on the region I live on and covered for a couple years.  Aaron McFarland is one the best people I've covered and seen playing d3.  That being said, I have real reservations about them coming through in big games.  I've not seen Daly step up this year - he's certainly been good throughout, but that extra level hasn't been as evident as I would've expected.  Carter showing up last weekend is a good sign, but in these pressure packed weekends, it's tough to pick them - even though I think they've got the best team on paper.  Facing Keene and potentially Babson - two teams who have really over-performed in big moments - that's going to be a tough call.

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to travel this weekend - family commitments - but if I do, it'll be to that sectional.  I think it's got the best talent overall and the best matchups throughout.  Any of the teams is capable of winning it, but I think I'd lean Babson over CNU on Saturday, if I'm picking.
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CNU85

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2017, 09:03:05 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on March 06, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
Blame the NCAA... you do realize the ones who make the rules and the guidelines for how the NCAA is to operate are the schools themselves, right? So the guidelines and rules to these tournaments are discussed, endorsed, and approved by the schools. This isn't some people in the NCAA headquarters making things up. They follow what the schools and Division tells them to do. Things get changed in Division III all the time. That is what the NCAA Convention is for... but it isn't like the Division has a ton of cash to throw around. There was a time we all complained that we did was play regional teams ... teams we had spent all season playing in the first place ... in the NCAA Tournament. They changed that... spent more money doing it... and now we hear complaints about teams not being at home but traveling.

I get that fans can't travel, but it isn't like you could follow your D1 team, either, right? I mean, are you going to head out to the Midwest to follow your team for a Thursday/Saturday battle? If you have work and it affects your D3 schedule, it affects your D1 schedule as well.

Sure, CNU isn't at home... but again, that isn't the NCAA's fault. Go through the entire bracket and tell me how CNU would have been at home (outside of the women getting the hosting rights the first weekend; that is a non-starter with me because we aren't going to take opportunities away from either gender in favor of the other gender).

And last year it took some massive upsets for it not to be at CNU. Marietta could get to CNU by bus... if they had won, there was a VERY good chance it was coming to CNU. Sometimes the teams who play the games change the circumstances. Plain and simpe.

I understand being upset, but I do not think you have a legitimate grip. CNU's problems pale in comparison to those in Texas, California, or the NWC. They aren't even on the same playing field compared to their challenges.

And it certainly isn't pitiful. You probably haven't been around Division III long enough to understand what pitiful really is. We are so far past pitiful... we are in a day in age where CNU can actually be flown somewhere. That should be celebrated not hated because you can't make the game. Sorry to be blunt. We also can see the games on our computers now... there was a time you couldn't even hear the game on a computer let alone the radio. True Dark Ages.

Sure... it is too bad CNU isn't at home. It would have been an interesting debate, though, on whether Babson or CNU would have hosted. They were both #1s in their regions. Not a given CNU would have hosted if flights had nothing to do with it.

But again... this isn't the NCAA making it harder. We asked for a more national tournament over the course of the last twenty years. That is what we now have. It sucks your team can't be at home, but it is a legitimate grip in my opinion and it isn't pitiful. I understand and appreciate your frustration and displeasure... but that is a far different.

Looks like Babson was #2 in the final rankings....

The bottom line is, the NCAA puts money ahead of complete and total fairness, which is sad...as a long time, passionate fan of CNU, I know these opportunities are far and few between, and it's a shame when a team is not rewarded for their accomplishments because of financial implications.

No, really the d3 priority is that athletes be students first.  It comes through in the recruitment and contact rules.  It comes through in travel.  We're used to our sports being maximized for "fairness," but that's not the Division III philosophy.  Minimizing travel is a core tenet of the division.  Yes, the committee's job is to maximize fairness, but they have to do so within the limits of the division that aren't as concerned with those things.

Yes, it's more travel for teams geographically isolated, but it's less for everyone else.  It helps to look through the lens of "student" when viewing how d3 does things.  They're working as hard as they can to make sure d3 student athletes are students first.  That's what I love about the division, personally, but I'm sorry your guys are getting the raw end of it.

...again!  Flying the #1 seed from southeastern VA to NY, then MA in consecutive years is totally unfair to CNU however you slice it...as they say, though, life ain't fair!  CNU has a chance to win the sectional at Babson, and I hope they do, which would truly be just!

Well, if they need some bulletin board fodder, I can provide it (it seems I've done plenty of that already).  I love CNU.  I love the team, the coach, the guys.  They're on the region I live on and covered for a couple years.  Aaron McFarland is one the best people I've covered and seen playing d3.  That being said, I have real reservations about them coming through in big games.  I've not seen Daly step up this year - he's certainly been good throughout, but that extra level hasn't been as evident as I would've expected.  Carter showing up last weekend is a good sign, but in these pressure packed weekends, it's tough to pick them - even though I think they've got the best team on paper.  Facing Keene and potentially Babson - two teams who have really over-performed in big moments - that's going to be a tough call.

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to travel this weekend - family commitments - but if I do, it'll be to that sectional.  I think it's got the best talent overall and the best matchups throughout.  Any of the teams is capable of winning it, but I think I'd lean Babson over CNU on Saturday, if I'm picking.

Muhaha!!!!! Fodder!