MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[CNU85]

CNU and York will likely win their last regular season games on Wednesday night, which means a coin flip will decide who gets the #1 seed in the conference tournament.  I really hate that pure luck will decide something this significant....

I thought the CAC tiebreaker was more involved to avoid the coin flip.

I believe it is slightly more involved, but not much. And this is a recent change. 2 team tie....head to head is the obvious first tie breaker. Since the head to head is a tie it goes to the coin flip. The recent change was the elimination of the point differential. I believe this is correct, but I'm not 100% sure.

[ronk]

CNU and York will likely win their last regular season games on Wednesday night, which means a coin flip will decide who gets the #1 seed in the conference tournament.  I really hate that pure luck will decide something this significant....

I thought the CAC tiebreaker was more involved to avoid the coin flip.

I believe it is slightly more involved, but not much. And this is a recent change. 2 team tie....head to head is the obvious first tie breaker. Since the head to head is a tie it goes to the coin flip. The recent change was the elimination of the point differential. I believe this is correct, but I'm not 100% sure.

Here's the tie-breaker procedure:

https://www.cacsports.com/information/handbook/Section_III_-_Policies_-_Procedures.pdf

The men and women's bball committees have decided NOT to use scoring differential as the 3rd tie-breaking procedure.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I believe it is slightly more involved, but not much. And this is a recent change. 2 team tie....head to head is the obvious first tie breaker. Since the head to head is a tie it goes to the coin flip. The recent change was the elimination of the point differential. I believe this is correct, but I'm not 100% sure.

To be fair ... it is more involved. It just happens that some of the steps are not going to matter since the two teams' losses are to each other and no other losses in conference. Just clarifying since others might think from reading your comment that after head-to-head it jumps straight to coin-toss.

Let's spell it out to avoid people having to look through the entire doc:

1. League standing (won lost percentage or points in soccer—three for a win, one for a tie.)
2. Head to head competition

• If one team of a three or more way tie is eliminated, re-calculate the record among the remaining tied teams.
• Record (or points) combined against all tied teams

3. Record {or points} against each conference team, (starting with the top team in the standings not involved in the tie and moving down) until the tie is broken.

• If one team of a three or more way tie is eliminated, recalculate the record among the remaining tied teams.

4. Sport Committees have the option, but are not required, to break the tie using a "scoring differential with a cap" tiebreaker. Sport Committees will indicate to the Commissioner prior to the first NCAA playing date each year if they will use this option and what the scoring cap will be. Sport-specific information will be listed in Section V (Championship Sports) of the CAC Handbook. (adopted May 2015)

• In sports that play double-round robin (basketball, baseball and softball), scoring differential would begin with head-to-head comparison among the tied teams.
• If still tied in double-round robin sports after step 4a, or in single round-robin sports (field hockey, soccer, volleyball, lacrosse and tennis), scoring differential would be compared against all CAC teams until the tie is broken.
• Once the top team among the three (or more) teams is determined, the remaining teams will be re-evaluated starting with the first step of the CAC tiebreaker. (added May 2015)

5. Coin Toss

• If a tie still exists, the Commissioner or representative will conduct a coin-toss procedure at the site of the event that caused the tie (if possible), witnessed by coaches and other administrators (and game officials, if available).
• b. If three or more teams are involved in the tie, the loser ("odd-man-out") of the first coin toss will be the lowest-seeded
  among the tied teams.
• c. The remaining tied teams will revert back to Step 2 (Head-to-head competition) of the CAC Tie Breaker Procedure
  and repeat the procedure. (updated 12/8/08)

Policy III – Tie Breaker Format for Team Sports
1. Teams which finish in a tie for first place with identical records during the regular season may declare themselves "regular season co-champions" and promote/advertise saying same (ex.: press release, website announcement or banner at game facility). The tie-breaking procedures used for seeding purposes shall not be used to declare a regular season "champion" in the event of a tie.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I remember the days that a number was pulled from a hat for each school before the academic year and that number was used in place of the coin-flip for any tie-breakers for the rest of the year for all sports. So if Salisbury had a 3 and York had a 7 ... every "coin flip" that might be needed between those two schools would always go in Salisbury's favor for that year.

They finally got rid of that ... smartly.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second

[CNU85]

Nice!!!!  Home games in CAC tourney.

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

Nice!!!!  Home games in CAC tourney.

for Wed games, i assume WBB game at 6pm and MBB afterwards.  I think that was how it worked last year.

[CNU85]

6 and 8 sounds about right. I can't remember. And win Wednesday, then I think Saturday would be 4 and 6? I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday. I sure as heck can't remember previous years' tournament times!

[CNU85]

Men play at 6. Women at 8.

[Swish3]

I didn't know they were going to flip the coin that quickly...CNU was very fortunate, just as York would have been...if both teams make it to the championship game, it will be interesting to see how the game is called in comparison to the previous two.

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

wonder if they do coin flip before last conf games are played.

[CNU85]

wonder if they do coin flip before last conf games are played.

It was done immediately after the game last night via teleconference.  I even saw the quarter!! But I didn't stay for the actual coin flip. The York game finished later than the CNU game and by the time post game media commitments were complete I was already home!

[VT-Alum-NOVA]

on women's side, they had 2 coin flips to decide #2 and #4 seeds.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

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[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third