MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

If they really wanted to, I'm sure the NCAA could take enough money from their Division I budget to do the right thing for D III, which seems like it'd be a drop in the bucket....

Except it's not the NCAA office that makes those decisions. It's the NCAA member schools, and it's written into the constitution. I don't think you'll find much support from Division I schools for changing the constitution to give them less money. (Let alone Division II, which probably wouldn't be in favor of it either unless they also got more money out of the deal.)

C'mon, man -- you worked at a D-III school. You should know this stuff.

[Swish3]

If they really wanted to, I'm sure the NCAA could take enough money from their Division I budget to do the right thing for D III, which seems like it'd be a drop in the bucket....

Except it's not the NCAA office that makes those decisions. It's the NCAA member schools, and it's written into the constitution. I don't think you'll find much support from Division I schools for changing the constitution to give them less money. (Let alone Division II, which probably wouldn't be in favor of it either unless they also got more money out of the deal.)

C'mon, man -- you worked at a D-III school. You should know this stuff.

Still do, Pat, but I don't know how the NCAA works, so I shouldn't have commented...I guess I made what I thought was a logical assumption in regards to making the financial inequality better amongst divisions.  College basketball is such a business, which is a sad and unfortunate reality.... 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Swish... did you read my post earlier that indicated how things work in the NCAA?

BTW DIII gets 3.14% of the entire operating budget, but the schools and conferences only contribute pennies on the dollar in comparison to where most of the entire operating budget of the NCAA comes from. Also, 75% of Division III's operating budget is spent on all of it's championships. We aren't that far removed from when the division has a $1mil budget shortfall because of championship spending and the projections were even worse. The Division has taken efforts to solve some of those shortfalls including more than doubling the dues for schools and conferences, but there is only so far $31 million can take the entire Division.

[Pat Coleman]

Swish... did you read my post earlier that indicated how things work in the NCAA?

BTW DIII gets 3.14% of the entire operating budget,

3.18%! Our pie is ever so slightly larger than 3.14.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Touche. LOL

[Swish3]

Swish... did you read my post earlier that indicated how things work in the NCAA?

BTW DIII gets 3.14% of the entire operating budget, but the schools and conferences only contribute pennies on the dollar in comparison to where most of the entire operating budget of the NCAA comes from. Also, 75% of Division III's operating budget is spent on all of it's championships. We aren't that far removed from when the division has a $1mil budget shortfall because of championship spending and the projections were even worse. The Division has taken efforts to solve some of those shortfalls including more than doubling the dues for schools and conferences, but there is only so far $31 million can take the entire Division.

I'm sure I did, but my emotion was probably getting in the way...does anyone that works for the NCAA have the ability/power to make decisions?  Are the Presidents of the colleges/universities the ones that speak on behalf of their institutions?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Swish... did you read my post earlier that indicated how things work in the NCAA?

BTW DIII gets 3.14% of the entire operating budget, but the schools and conferences only contribute pennies on the dollar in comparison to where most of the entire operating budget of the NCAA comes from. Also, 75% of Division III's operating budget is spent on all of it's championships. We aren't that far removed from when the division has a $1mil budget shortfall because of championship spending and the projections were even worse. The Division has taken efforts to solve some of those shortfalls including more than doubling the dues for schools and conferences, but there is only so far $31 million can take the entire Division.

I'm sure I did, but my emotion was probably getting in the way...does anyone that works for the NCAA have the ability/power to make decisions?  Are the Presidents of the colleges/universities the ones that speak on behalf of their institutions?

No and yes, pretty much.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The NCAA is run by the Presidents of the schools. The NCAA does what the member institutions and conferences want to do. The NCAA Convention is like Congress only in the sense that bills have come up through committee, recommended or not, voted on, passed, or shot down. The NCAA is then tasked with carrying out those rules and making sure everyone follows them. Sure, they may guide the schools and give them recommendations, but all the committees including all the sporting committees, Management Council, President's Council, etc. do not have an NCAA officer on them. They are all member institutions.

In fact, it is run much like the NFL, MLB, NHL, and others are run - the owners of those organizations make the rules in concert with the players and the commissioner(s) is hired and does what the owners request/approve.

[CNU85]

I did some research. There are only 2 teams in the Sweet 16 that are within 500 miles of CNU. So even if CNU were to host and the brackets lined up perfectly, someone would still have had to fly.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I did some research. There are only 2 teams in the Sweet 16 that are within 500 miles of CNU. So even if CNU were to host and the brackets lined up perfectly, someone would still have had to fly.

This year was not a good one for the South and Mid-Atlantic regions.  Usually there's more to choose from, but with so many NE teams, most of the time it would end up with everyone driving to NJ.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

ODAC being down was the biggest killer... just wasn't in the cards this year.

[Goose_13]

Sooooo, what did I miss!? LOL Hadn't checked the boards out in a few days and I head over to them this morning and had to go back almost three pages from where I last stopped! Must say that was the most fired up I've seen this board in quite a while. Both sides had valid arguments, not saying who is right or who is wrong, tho I am sure my CNU faithful will be upset I'm not taking their side on the matter. However, I worked in sports information for more than 10 years, got the opportunity to meet Pat many times and I definitely can say I learned a lot about what the parameters of D3 entails. A lot of you who have been on these boards for more than a decade will know I have certainly voiced my displeasure many times! Nice to see the passionate fans out voicing their opinions on things but it's also nice to see the flip side of the argument. Anyway, I digress! Yeah I am bummed the Captains couldn't host either weekend, I  had a feeling the first weekend they didn't have a chance with how well the women did this year, even before I looked at the bracket. Once I did, I knew it was going to be a repeat of last year in that they would have to be on the road all the way to the semis. For the women, first weekend was a definite. Had they not lost those late conference games, things might have been different (can't say for certain as I have not done the research), and they "might" have been able to host the second weekend. Assuming CNU gets by Keene St., they will definitely have their hands full with Babson. I do have a question for Pat, Dave, and/or Ryan. I thought I read some where that Babson's gym only seats 750. How does that fit the criteria for hosting? I am not asking rudely, my tone is normal! LOL I am just curious with their gym so small, was this factored in at all? Again, I don't remember the exact criteria, I am more along the curious line! Thanks all!!

[ronk]

Sooooo, what did I miss!? LOL Hadn't checked the boards out in a few days and I head over to them this morning and had to go back almost three pages from where I last stopped! Must say that was the most fired up I've seen this board in quite a while. Both sides had valid arguments, not saying who is right or who is wrong, tho I am sure my CNU faithful will be upset I'm not taking their side on the matter. However, I worked in sports information for more than 10 years, got the opportunity to meet Pat many times and I definitely can say I learned a lot about what the parameters of D3 entails. A lot of you who have been on these boards for more than a decade will know I have certainly voiced my displeasure many times! Nice to see the passionate fans out voicing their opinions on things but it's also nice to see the flip side of the argument. Anyway, I digress! Yeah I am bummed the Captains couldn't host either weekend, I  had a feeling the first weekend they didn't have a chance with how well the women did this year, even before I looked at the bracket. Once I did, I knew it was going to be a repeat of last year in that they would have to be on the road all the way to the semis. For the women, first weekend was a definite. Had they not lost those late conference games, things might have been different (can't say for certain as I have not done the research), and they "might" have been able to host the second weekend. Assuming CNU gets by Keene St., they will definitely have their hands full with Babson. I do have a question for Pat, Dave, and/or Ryan. I thought I read some where that Babson's gym only seats 750. How does that fit the criteria for hosting? I am not asking rudely, my tone is normal! LOL I am just curious with their gym so small, was this factored in at all? Again, I don't remember the exact criteria, I am more along the curious line! Thanks all!!

Requirement for sectional hosting is 1000 seats, at least, so they wouldn't qualify on that basis.

[warriorcat]

In the Babson pod, they are emptying out the gym after the first game.  There is a separate ticket to the second.  Perhaps this is how they have gotten around the seating requirement.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Babson actually seats 1000-1200... they are fine to host numbers wise and have hosted in the past (two years ago). Their only concern is making sure the fire marshall doesn't shut them down (too many people allowed in).

They will go with a split session as will Marietta (5 & 8 pm game times in Ohio!). The NCAA has tried to allow more teams who couldn't host in the past to host because it is Division III and saying no to someone with a 1000 seat gym seams a bit harsh. It isn't like they can just go out and build a new gymnasium. There is a line... Albertus Magnus may be able to get away with hosting the opening weekend, but is out of the second. Wesley can't even host the opening weekend unless they find a new gym. But in this case, Babson is perfectly fine in the eyes of the NCAA.