MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[CNU85]

Big meeting out of the way.......almost game time.....2 games tonight....CNU men and women host. Gonna be a sweet evening. Hoops. Chill. NICE!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third

[CNU85]

The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third

Hey Swish....folks  at Swarthmore are asking to see the data sheets!!!! 

[Swish3]

The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third

Hey Swish....folks  at Swarthmore are asking to see the data sheets!!!! 

I'll bet they are!

It looks like CNU's primary criteria was a little better than Swarthmore's in the end!  As long as CNU wins the conference tourney, does this mean they'll have hosting priority over Swarthmore?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

CNU has an advantage that the CAC is ranked and helping boost the vRRO data to be sure.

"Hosting priority" is a tough thing to say when geography plays such a large role. If they can't get teams to CNU, they aren't going to force the issue. If they can get southern teams to CNU, that doesn't mean Swat doesn't have a need for other schools.

Being in the top two is helpful. I doubt they would be in the same group for the second weekend to matter anyway.

Also, there is still a final rankings to be done (two stages to the final rankings) and these positions can, and have, changed even if both teams won out.

[jesskleangda]

Is the CAC going to get 2 teams?  If either UMW or Salisbury win the automatic bid, do both CNU and York get at large?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Maybe two ... but we have to see how many upsets there are around the country. There are already two bids maybe gobbled up my Middlebury and Marietta (though, not guaranteed, either). The more upsets, the less chances.

As for three ... that might be pushing it, but again ... we shall see. Hard to gauge that when we don't know how any of the 42 conferences AQs will be handed out as of yet.

[Swish3]

CNU has an advantage that the CAC is ranked and helping boost the vRRO data to be sure.

"Hosting priority" is a tough thing to say when geography plays such a large role. If they can't get teams to CNU, they aren't going to force the issue. If they can get southern teams to CNU, that doesn't mean Swat doesn't have a need for other schools.

Being in the top two is helpful. I doubt they would be in the same group for the second weekend to matter anyway.

Also, there is still a final rankings to be done (two stages to the final rankings) and these positions can, and have, changed even if both teams won out.

So true...I guess I'm just hoping that CNU would have an edge, and I think they would if things fell into place.  Also, if it came down to CNU or R-MC hosting the second weekend, would the committee try their best to do it in Newport News, given CNU's head to head win?

If CNU and Swat won out, I can't imagine CNU not being #1, as they would have beaten two more regionally ranked opponents in Salisbury and either York or Mary Washington.

[Swish3]

Is the CAC going to get 2 teams?  If either UMW or Salisbury win the automatic bid, do both CNU and York get at large?

I think the CAC easily gets 2 teams in, likely 3...there's a poster that does some great work projecting this and he tends to be accurate.  As of right now, he's got CNU and York as a lock and near-lock respectively...he's also got Salisbury as a strong contender, so I think 3 is a very good possibility, barring a ridiculous amount of upsets.  Now, if UMW were to win the tourney, that would be bad for Salisbury....

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

CNU has an advantage that the CAC is ranked and helping boost the vRRO data to be sure.

"Hosting priority" is a tough thing to say when geography plays such a large role. If they can't get teams to CNU, they aren't going to force the issue. If they can get southern teams to CNU, that doesn't mean Swat doesn't have a need for other schools.

Being in the top two is helpful. I doubt they would be in the same group for the second weekend to matter anyway.

Also, there is still a final rankings to be done (two stages to the final rankings) and these positions can, and have, changed even if both teams won out.

So true...I guess I'm just hoping that CNU would have an edge, and I think they would if things fell into place.  Also, if it came down to CNU or R-MC hosting the second weekend, would the committee try their best to do it in Newport News, given CNU's head to head win?

If CNU and Swat won out, I can't imagine CNU not being #1, as they would have beaten two more regionally ranked opponents in Salisbury and either York or Mary Washington.

CNU does have the head-to-head win, but there is more criteria involved than that one item. That said, CNU may have the edge currently - assuming no losses by either the rest of this week (though, RMC may see it's SOS, vRRO, and WL% climb more significantly than CNU this week). Plus, you are also assuming the two are in the same part of the bracket - that isn't exactly a sure bet.

[Swish3]

CNU has an advantage that the CAC is ranked and helping boost the vRRO data to be sure.

"Hosting priority" is a tough thing to say when geography plays such a large role. If they can't get teams to CNU, they aren't going to force the issue. If they can get southern teams to CNU, that doesn't mean Swat doesn't have a need for other schools.

Being in the top two is helpful. I doubt they would be in the same group for the second weekend to matter anyway.

Also, there is still a final rankings to be done (two stages to the final rankings) and these positions can, and have, changed even if both teams won out.

So true...I guess I'm just hoping that CNU would have an edge, and I think they would if things fell into place.  Also, if it came down to CNU or R-MC hosting the second weekend, would the committee try their best to do it in Newport News, given CNU's head to head win?

If CNU and Swat won out, I can't imagine CNU not being #1, as they would have beaten two more regionally ranked opponents in Salisbury and either York or Mary Washington.

CNU does have the head-to-head win, but there is more criteria involved than that one item. That said, CNU may have the edge currently - assuming no losses by either the rest of this week (though, RMC may see it's SOS, vRRO, and WL% climb more significantly than CNU this week). Plus, you are also assuming the two are in the same part of the bracket - that isn't exactly a sure bet.

True, but I wouldn't be surprised, given their geographical proximity...first things first, though...CNU has to consistently play well to have the opportunity, starting tonight!

Thanks for answering my questions, Dave, as I know you're a busy man....

[MW_Eagles]

I don't know how Dave finds the time!  I read his posts on many different boards.   

Geography is always tricky.  If I remember correctly, Mary Washington hosted a 2nd weekend set because it put them closer to Williams even though Va Wesleyan was the higher seed.   It's cool to have potentially 2 sites in Virginia to choose from though if it comes to that with CNU and RMC. 

Two great games tonight, go Eagles!!!

[Swish3]

I don't know how Dave finds the time!  I read his posts on many different boards.   

Geography is always tricky.  If I remember correctly, Mary Washington hosted a 2nd weekend set because it put them closer to Williams even though Va Wesleyan was the higher seed.   It's cool to have potentially 2 sites in Virginia to choose from though if it comes to that with CNU and RMC. 

Two great games tonight, go Eagles!!!

If Virginia Wesleyan was indeed the higher seed, it must have boiled down to the good old 500 mile rule...another example of geography/budget trumping what's fair.

[MW_Eagles]

If Virginia Wesleyan was indeed the higher seed, it must have boiled down to the good old 500 mile rule...another example of geography/budget trumping what's fair.

Yep....MW is within 500 of Williams.  Wesleyan was not.  Fun for us though 

[Swish3]

If Virginia Wesleyan was indeed the higher seed, it must have boiled down to the good old 500 mile rule...another example of geography/budget trumping what's fair.

Yep....MW is within 500 of Williams.  Wesleyan was not.  Fun for us though 

As long as it's Wesleyan getting the short end of the stick, that's fine w/me!  That was a very good MW team that year...too bad they ran into a buzz saw in Williams, who had the Robinson kid that transferred to Michigan.