MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[ronk]

FINALLY! A home conference game while students are in school!

They worry about athletes missing class for games; what about students missing games because of intersession? 

[CNU85]

FINALLY! A home conference game while students are in school!

They worry about athletes missing class for games; what about students missing games because of intersession? 

exactly!!!!

[CNU85]

CNU wins again. 13 differently players score. At one point in second half the reserves were the ones who pulled away. Something to be said about quality depth.

[CNU85]

If Dalon McHugh secures his 5th consecutive double double tonight, he will be the first CNU player to do so since All-American Antoine Sinclair achieved the feat in 1999.

[Swish3]

If Dalon McHugh secures his 5th consecutive double double tonight, he will be the first CNU player to do so since All-American Antoine Sinclair achieved the feat in 1999.

Not bad for a 6-4 wing, huh?

[CNU85]

Dalon missed it by 2 rebounds, scoring 18 points. 2 other Captains achieved double doubles. At York next. Will be tough.

[CNU85]

I don't normally "go there" but the refs must have all been York College graduates. It was RIDICULOUS! 5 Captains foul out. 41 fouls to 26. Some were just ghost calls. Had no idea why the whistle was blown. Watch the film. They were RIDICULOUS!

Ok...I feel better. Kinda.

[ronk]

I don't normally "go there" but the refs must have all been York College graduates. It was RIDICULOUS! 5 Captains foul out. 41 fouls to 26. Some were just ghost calls. Had no idea why the whistle was blown. Watch the film. They were RIDICULOUS!

Ok...I feel better. Kinda.

I know 1 of the refs; I'll try to watch the replay later tonight.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I don't normally "go there" but the refs must have all been York College graduates. It was RIDICULOUS! 5 Captains foul out. 41 fouls to 26. Some were just ghost calls. Had no idea why the whistle was blown. Watch the film. They were RIDICULOUS!

Ok...I feel better. Kinda.

The funny thing is they might have been York College graduates.  York's got a very strong program for getting former student athletes trained as officials across all sports.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I don't normally "go there" but the refs must have all been York College graduates. It was RIDICULOUS! 5 Captains foul out. 41 fouls to 26. Some were just ghost calls. Had no idea why the whistle was blown. Watch the film. They were RIDICULOUS!

Ok...I feel better. Kinda.

The funny thing is they might have been York College graduates.  York's got a very strong program for getting former student athletes trained as officials across all sports.

Yes ... good program.

No ... wouldn't be doing the game.

[D3RetiredHooper]

I don't know for certain but my guess would be the officiating assigner put his best crew he could find for that game.  York vs CNU has turned into the premier game in the CAC.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I don't know for certain but my guess would be the officiating assigner put his best crew he could find for that game.  York vs CNU has turned into the premier game in the CAC.

Just so everyone knows ... for a few years now, the CAC, MAC, Centennial, and others have had the same assignor ... and there has been a concerted effort to send officials to places a bit further away and not necessarily have them repeat all that many games/locations. There are some officials I got used to always seeing at the gyms in my area who either haven't been at any of them in a few years OR rarely show up.

My point is, yes, I suspect the best crew available may have been assigned. Also, they aren't ones who are "familiar" with the teams ... thus, they aren't going to just sit back and let the teams play per se - or get used to anything in particular.

Also ... CNU has been in this bind before. They don't adjust well to officiating. One has to adjust to how officials are calling a game and not get yourself in foul trouble. It has been something I know I've discussed, even on air, before about CNU. I am not sure if it is their aggressiveness or their mentality necessarily ... but if a game is being called tighter than they are accustomed, they are not likely to adjust to it.

And before I go ... a reminder that there is a person in charge of officials overall in DIII and he has made it clear he not only wants games called more universally across the country, but also that the rules of the game will be called. Coaches and others on the rules committee want the physicality dialed back in the game and thus fouls are to be called. There are regions of this division where a more physical game has been allowed. That's ending. Teams need to figure it out and adjust.

[Swish3]

A lot of fouls were called on both teams, but 41-26 is bad...CNU has a pretty tough defense, but they're not what I'd call an overly aggressive/physical team...York shot 54 free throws...that's crazy!  Coach Krikorian looked pissed when the final horn sounded, as I saw him quickly walk towards the referees and bark out a comment prior to shaking hands w/York.

Now, the CNU women are definitely aggressive, as they press from start to finish...I can recall discussing this about them, but not the men.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

CNU plays aggressive defense - not like the women, but it is aggressive.

And stop yelling at officials ... adjust or go home.

I repeat this story often, but it is something worth keeping in mind. The first time out of the game for Duke (usually the media break), the coaching staff doesn't talk to the players about game strategy with their opponent, they talk about how the officials are calling the game and what adjustments they need to make as a result.

Officials are humans as well and we are never going to get the point, despite all the best efforts, that every human being calls the same game the same way every time or across the board. Teams have to adjust. And blaming officials for calling a lot of fouls (especially when the rules have been dictating lessening the physicality of the game - no matter what players want to do) is missing the bigger picture. Teams need to adjust. Players need to adjust. Plain and simple.

It also depends on style. As I noted, CNU tends to be pretty physical on defense, but if another team is also attacking on offense and forcing the issue especially inside or on the dribble, more fouls are going to be called. Also and not related to this, I get very frustrated when fans start talking about foul discrepancy in a game featuring one of the teams playing a zone defense. By default, the number of foul calls will be lower or mis-matched (btw - an interesting quirk to the rules not many understand, but refs are not told to make sure the foul count is "even" /sarcasm).

[ronk]

I don't normally "go there" but the refs must have all been York College graduates. It was RIDICULOUS! 5 Captains foul out. 41 fouls to 26. Some were just ghost calls. Had no idea why the whistle was blown. Watch the film. They were RIDICULOUS!

Ok...I feel better. Kinda.

I know 1 of the refs; I'll try to watch the replay later tonight.

Finished watching today - midway thru 1st half, balding ref(not my friend) made 4 consecutive blocking calls that I disagreed with, the 1st 3 against CNU; I would have had them as no-calls since the offensive driver initiated the contact; the 4th against York and the ref said he was in the semicircle; he was 2' outside the semicircle but ended up inside after the contact; I would have called it offensive on CNU; later in the half there was a call near midcourt on the sideline on CNU for a moving screen that Krikorian was upset with; I actually agreed with the call.
2nd half early, York shot a foul that hit only the net short, not the rim; all 3 refs missed it and allowed play to continue as if it had hit the rim.
rest of the game the only phantom call I saw was on CNU Harrington, pressing full court on an inbounds pass was called for a hold.
So, I as an unbiased observer didn't see anything egregious. 2 years ago, I was at York for a doubleheader because Scranton women were playing York in the 1st game; I stayed and watched the men's game cuz it was the regional nonconference game of the season(York-Swarthmore) and my friend worked that game, also, inferring the ref assigner thought highly of his ability to work the big games.