MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[BisonKiller]

Thanks...I think I have it right.  In the event Gally and SAL are tied, Gally would win the tiebreaker because they have beaten SAL twice.

But if Catholic wins and SAL wins, then SAL would be a game better than Gally. Even that shouldn't make a difference because Mary Wash and CUA have identical records against SAL--so either way it comes down to Gally, and Mary Wash wins that tiebreaker.

I really dont think it matters who is 4th....it will be Gal vs Sal....  and regardless who host the game, Gal should come out on top...another trip to York and get blown out again...

If I was Gallaudet, I would've purposely lose a few conference games so that we would have a better chance to make it to the finals vs York...of course to get blown out then

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

It does matter who is #4 or #5 if a tie-breaker is needed for CUA and UMW. Different head-to-head records for those teams against SAL and GAL.

And it might matter to the teams. Either travel to a tough Gallaudet gym or SAL gym.

It also would be great to see GAL host a game for the first time in a LONG time.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

It does matter who is #4 or #5 if a tie-breaker is needed for CUA and UMW. Different head-to-head records for those teams against SAL and GAL.

Ok, while the above statement is true about what team is in what order for the tie-breaker... it doesn't make a difference in this case.

Ok, can somebody run down the tiebreaker scenario for the #2 seed if Catholic and Mary Washington both win or lose Saturday? Let me see if I have this right.  (For the record, I still hate this tiebreak system, I think it should work from the bottom up, not the top down).

Obviously, if Catholic wins and Mary Wash loses, Catholic is the #2, or vice versa.

If both teams win, you'd move to York-and there would be a split.  Then you would jump down to 4th place, which would be Salisbury if they beat St. Mary's (because we're assuming a Catholic win, which means a Gally loss,)  However, if SMC were to beat Salisbury, and Gally were to lose, Gally would be the #4 seed because they beat Salisbury twice. But, either way, since Catholic and Mary Wash split with Salisbury, so then you would move to Gally. Since Mary Wash beat Gally twice, they would win the tiebreaker here and be the #2 seed.


If both teams lose, you'd start the tiebreak with York, and Catholic would win it there because they've beaten York once. 

So basically, for Catholic to be the #2 seed, they need Mary Washington to lose.  If Mary Wash wins, they are the #2 seed.

Right?

Matt - right!!!

If both teams win, UMW is the #2 seed.
If UMW losses, no matter what CUA does they are the #2 seed.

As far as not liking the way the tie-breaker works, I was actually thinking about it today and I think it makes sense. Instead of starting at the bottom in head-to-head comparisons... you start with the best. A team deserves the better seeding if they did better against the toughest competition than the another team did. Starting at the bottom means the conference thinks higher seeding is an award to those who can beat the weakest teams without having an off-night. I would rather award the seed to the team that came out and beat the tougher teams more often than the team they are tied with.

By the way, if CUA and UMW both won this weekend and we started at the bottom, CUA would be the #2 seed. That's because Jonathan Garritt hit a 27-foot three-pointer, at the buzzer, after dribbling the length of the court, pump faking, and drilling it with nothing but net in Lee's grill to beat the Eagles by one. I am very sure UMW would not consider it fair that their seeding was left to a last second shot to a 2-20 team versus head to head against the better teams of the conference.

[dayv4life]

i was trying to figure this out today too dmac maybe you can help......i am pretty sure that if goucher wins then they get to be the 7 seed and not the 8 seed right? i was goin down the list and they have the first tiebreak head to head win then against UMW if they would finished tied for last in the CAC with 3 W's.

difference between 7 and is huge as you can see by ppl not wanting to go into york.

hats off to goucher for never quitting no matter what. its easy to pack it in when stuff doesnt go your way. nice work boys.


GO SPARTANS!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

i was trying to figure this out today too dmac maybe you can help......i am pretty sure that if goucher wins then they get to be the 7 seed and not the 8 seed right? i was goin down the list and they have the first tiebreak head to head win then against UMW if they would finished tied for last in the CAC with 3 W's.

difference between 7 and is huge as you can see by ppl not wanting to go into york.

You are correct. Goucher's win over UMW would give them the #7 seed if they end up in a tie. That would probably mean they go to the DuFour Center (Goolrick Gym) or for the first round game, instead of Wolff. The thing is, the Gophers faced Marymount last time, right after coming off the win to UMW. After talking to some of the team, they know they let down after the win... thinking they had finally overcome their demons. They are going to be ready to play... especially Garritt, since it is his final game at the Sports and Rec Center (worth coming to watch him and Russo one last time).

hats off to goucher for never quitting no matter what. its easy to pack it in when stuff doesnt go your way. nice work boys.

I have said it all year... I have been impressed with them not giving up! The big difference in Wednesday game was that Goucher looked like they weren't going to give up on the season, SMC looked like they had (in some ways). Goucher is a tough team to beat. Even if you are up 30, the Gophers aren't going to quit until the final buzzer (ask York). I am very proud of how they have carried themselves through this very difficult year. It is just too bad they had to go through it. But sometimes, teams and guys become stronger after a season like this.

[mwgoonie]

Well, as the season winds down i can't help but think what a great year its been. Saturday's games should be good. The Tourney should be wild as ever.

I think the CAC should start an All-Star team formed by the All -CAC players to play some games vs other conference all-stars. What ya think?

[Pat Coleman]

The CUNYAC and NJAC have done senior all-star games the past few years. ODAC and USAC are starting this year. CAC against ... what, the Interstate Eight?

[John Rusnak]

Goucher's run to the title...

Beat Marymount on senior day to avoid York early...

Upset Catholic at their place for the 100th time at DuFour in the quarters...

Beat Mary Wash after Wood gets tossed midway through the second half...

Take out York in an amazing upset on the tile.

[mwgoonie]

Yes, great idea. Keep the old rivalries alive....the Interstate 8 are going down.
Who do we pitch the idea to? Clint, get started.

Goucher is a scary team right now, so anything could happen....too bad they'd have to beat the top 3 teams in a row...on the road.

[Matt Letourneau]

Well, with the way those 2 Goucher guards are playing, if we had a "Current CAC/Future I-8 All Stars" vs. "The Other 6 Teams in the CAC All Stars," I'd like the I-8's chances!  Put Russo and Garritt out there with Sowden, Dwyer and Fumai, fill up the bench and you've got yourself a hell of a team!

Yeah, at this point, since my rooting interest is whatever is in Catholic's best interest,  I need to be rooting for York and Marymount.  So, uh, go Spartans and Saints.  Even though that last part really kills me.

[mwcsid]

Coach Wood get tossed? Don't count on it.
Guess how many total techs he's gotten all year.

NONE.

[John Rusnak]

There is a theory out there about sports (and other things) called regression to the mean.

If he hasn't had any yet this year, then one would argue that he's due...

[gouchersid]

Goucher DOES NOT move up to the 7th seed just by beating Marymount on Saturday. If St. Mary's beats Salisbury earlier in the day, Goucher is locked into being the 8th seed regardless of what the Gophers do against the Saints.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Goucher DOES NOT move up to the 7th seed just by beating Marymount on Saturday. If St. Mary's beats Salisbury earlier in the day, Goucher is locked into being the 8th seed regardless of what the Gophers do against the Saints.

Geez Mike, you had to go and take the fun out of the Goucher story, didn't you. Sure... minor detail... SMC has to beat SAL. Thanks for making us consider... THE OTHER GAMES .

Just kidding, yes SMC has to beat SAL... but a very different SMC team would have to show up. It could be interesting. At least that game will be over before the tip-off at Goucher.

[BisonKiller]

Big game for Gallaudet vs. Catholic today.....

Seems like you pro-CUA folks are taking Gally for granted....don't be surprised if they come up and give you Cardinals a fine whipping. 

Gally this year reminds me of Texas Tech a few seasons ago.  They have a crazy coach.  They are having one of their best years with the help of a weak schedule.  But when it comes to big important games, they fold.

I can only recall Gally beating CUA at home once.  I believe that was a playoff game (am I wrong there)?  I can recall this because some friends of mine attended to that game and overheard some of the Catholic football players getting upset.  Something like this "...phucking deaf people, just wait for football and we'll kick their a$$".   Sure enough that following fall, I opened up the Washington Post and see a score of 72-0 or so.  I don't think Gallaudet and Catholic vs. each other again after that.  So if the basketball team really cherish their "new improved" football team, they probably should roll over so that Catholic football team won't take it out on theirs'.

Then again...it just maybe Gallaudet is that good and gonna beat CUA this afternoon...

Hopefully I'll be able to pick up the game on the radio