MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[manofgor24]

BisonFan, The players played.  I never once questioned the effort on the floor.  In responce to your comparison to ACC fans I was wondering, have you ever been to a division 1 basketball game?  There are set boundries that fans cannot cross.  There are real security gaurds and staff members on hand (not student staff that want fans to be crazy.  When is the last time you saw a fan run behind Gary Williams' huddle and start screaming.  You have'nt because the only place it is allowed in the country is at Gallaudet.  If fans act that way, they are usually kicked out but for some reason it is standard at Gally to act that way.  I loved the turn out and the noise, but about 15 of your fans should have been removed.  This would have prevented the assault on the ref.  End of Story.

[mwgoonie]

Yeah, maybe with good behavior we can get out of negative karma!

[thebison]

There are some things I wanted to reply to- I was at both the Catholic and Salisbury games-

The Catholic Game-

In addition to the "at least we can hear" sign (which I saw), there was a "You Sucks" sign too, a sign that I think crosses the line as well. But I have to say to some of the Catholic students that learned a few insults in ASL, that was pretty creative. The signs were overboard however, and nobody has the right to defend those just because you didn't see them, or your university prez was there, because all of us sure as heck did.

And the incident with the racial slurs etc- believe it or not not every deaf person is profoundly deaf. The vast majority of us have some degree of hearing, and many of us can hear very well. You add that in with lip reading, we get by a lot better than you may think. And to think that not a single hearing person would support Gallaudet or sit wtih us as well is absurd- anything said behind our backs is more likely to be heard than you may think. And that racial slur was one of the things said behind the girl's back, and I bet the guy who said it was shocked the girl could hear that well. But that aside, I had a fun time jawing with the Catholic fans and I thought the game went well and security took care of the situation a little slower than I would have liked, but it was handled niceley.

The Gally/Salisbury game:

I'm just absolutely disgusted with what happened, and I hate to see that the actions of such few students are marring what was a superb season. Let me recount the story from what I have been able to find out (I even talked to the person who punched the ref) and the entire situation could have been avoided. Let me tell u the bottom line before I go any further, and that is the few Gallaudet fans that would have failed breathalizer tests should have just backed off when the game was over. There is no arguing this point, and if everyone had just gone home when the game was over, nothing would have happened. This was poor sportsmanship on their part.

That being said: We are talking about 5-6 fans who pursued the refs and just continued to give him an earful. They followed him to his car and when he got in his car (which I must point out was a very nice Mercedes Bentz), they wouldn't back off the car and kept yelling at the ref. The ref then proceeded to get out of his car, and the car door slammed open, hitting some students, and the referee threw a punch which landed squarely on the jaw of a female student. The other students went livid at this and started to scuffle with the other ref, both throwing punches that missed. Another ref saw this happening as he was leaving and he ran and jumped on the fan wrestling with the first ref. The fan then swung one punch which connected on the second ref and bloodied his nose. DPS pulled everyone apart, DC police arrived, and statements were taken. No arrests were made, because it seems the Gallaudet students were acting in self defense (again I say the students should not have been there in the first place) and the girl who was first punched by the ref ended up going to the hospital to check out a possible whip lash.

I think its safe to say those refs will probably never ref a game again here at Gallaudet, and I think its extremely unfortunate. Believe me when I say Gallaudet will take action against those students.

But moving on from this incident, I hate the fact that every one of you are referring to us as animals and talking about how crazy we are. We love our basketball team, believe it. And when we have home court advantage, we're gonna make sure we use it to make up our undersized team.

Braveheart, the fan painted blue and screaming at the Salisbury bench all night certainly did his job. He annoyed the hell out of me all night, and I'm sure fans across the court couldn't stand his voice as well. But I have to say, he kinda did his job. He annoyed the Salisbury players a lot more than he did the Gally players, and I think it's worth the tradeoff. But again, once that buzzer sounded, he should've washed off the paint and called it a season.

The last thing I wanted to talk about was about the push-off call.

I thought the call at first was absolutely horrible, but after watching the video replay, I was just sickened, and partially glad the ref got a bloody nose (bad joke, I know). Several things to talk about here on this play- Jon was pushing off the defender the entire night, and no calls were made. To make that call with 1.1 seconds left and no prior warning is just unfair. The second thing is that he didn't push off the player. The separation between the defender was already made, and the forward momentum that he had going for him when he stopped and pulled back for a fadeaway jumper let his arm get away from him, but it did not make any contact with the defender (there's video evidence). The other thing I wanted to say is that in a playoff game, with just seconds on the clock and one team up by one, shouldn't the refs just let the players play and let the shot decide the game? To make an offensive call that was not clean cut (if Jon had run over the defender, or the defender fell, it would have been different, but the defender was still in position to contend the shot) and for the referee to decide the game is just unfair. The rule of thumb is to let the players decide, not for the ref to make a call against the home crowd that maybe 6 out of 10 refs would let slide. Any of the seven other CAC teams would have been livid at the call, and believe me we were.  Every fan had every right to chew that ref's ass out for the remaining 1.1 seconds, but once that buzzer sounded, that's where it should have stopped. It was great seeing a freshman step up and take this shot (which he nailed, by the way) and I think that a freshman with this type of confidence should be a shoo in for ROY honors.

Major props to Haney's 37 in his final collegiate game. (He opened 5-5 from 3-point range)

We're looking forward to next year, and hopefully the ugly mess with the refs can be left behind us. Without a doubt security will be beefed up at games from now on, and I don't see this happening again, ever.

[unreallawns]

I'm sure if you disected the entire game film, you could find plenty of terrible calls.  This is the CAC.  Regardless if "Jon was pushing off the defender the entire night", a foul is a foul and it should have been called.  Perhaps Coach Holmes had mentioned it to the refs and they finally made the call.  If it was the wrong call, that's a shame but people need to stop blaming officials for losses.

[ycp]

My two cents here.....there was an instance a few years ago when Andy O'Brien was at the free throw line at Gallaudet and nearly got hit by a three-quarters full Sprite bottle thrown from the stands so I don't think the recent Gallaudet incidents are isolated. Thank goodness the fan had bad aim or Andy could have been injured.
It's the ugly truth that no one wants to talk about. There are a majority of Bison fans who are passionate and support their team in a loud and positive manner. There is a minority of fans that make that majority look very bad and gives Gallaudet a reputation that is not a positive or desirable one. Unfortunately, this reputation, to people who just make one or two trips a year  to Gallaudet, seem very well earned.
Some of the things I heard come from the stands during York's trip down there this year are things that should not have been, or would be anywhere else, tolorated. There was a fan kicked out after standing behind the scorers table screaming obscenities at the game official after there was a scrum on the baseline. The official had to kick him out and if the fan wanted to make an issue, I am not sure there was security that could have made him get out. It's a shame that a few bad apples ruin it for true Gallaudet basketball fans. We had a handful of Gallaudet students screaming obscenities at our kids on the way out. Thank goodness our team kept their cool and headed to the locker room.

Hopefully we can get back to basketball conversation with a pair of great games coming up on Thursday. York has to continue to play well because Salisbury wants to prove they aren't as bad as they played on January 28. I would fully expect to see Salisbury come out firing on all cylinders and give the Spartans a great game. The CUA/UMW match should be a classic with two different styles clashing at DuFour. Good luck to the remaining four squads.

[gouchersid]

York 89 Goucher 68

This game was over with about 35 minutes to go as York connected there first 8 3's of the game.  Fass had 25 and now only needs 45 points to reach 1,000.  Looks like Salisbury is coming in here for another game and we all know what happened last time, it was not pretty at all.  31 and counting, hopefully they show up and are ready to bring there game to Wolf Gym.

McGowan for MVP

And I am sorry but Garritt and Russo are not POY, they do not share the ball and just jack up 3's.  If anything Russo is the better player.

24-2 for York College
See everyone Thursday
Salisbury please show up.
There has not been a game here since Mary Wash
Peace

York missed two of its first three 3-point attempts of the game, so I can't figure out how you can say the Spartans connected on THEIR first eight three-pointers of the game.

OK, that's nitpicky.

If I had a vote for CAC POY, I would cast it for McGowan. I do believe both Goucher players should be considered for All-CAC honors, but even if I wasn't the Goucher SID, I wouldn't vote for a player from a 3-21 team to be conference POY. But how do you say Garritt and Russo are not POY because they do not share the ball and just jack up 3's. Last night they were credited with a combined eight assists (not close to a record, but to me suggests they do share the ball) and they attempted 17 three-pointers and 16 two-pointers (hardly a ratio that suggests they just jack up 3's).

I, like the other CAC SID's, tend not to express my opinions on here very often. However, every now and then there is that one post that just begs for a reply.

[mwgoonie]

As for a comment to the Gally and all fans of the CAC (esp Students): Be passionate, be creative, beHAVE! See my rules in above post to see how many rules were broken by all fans in the incidents being talked about.

Yes, great games coming up. Can't wait for feathers to fly this thursday.

[Matt Letourneau]

Bison,
Problem is that you lose credibilty with me because you're inaccurately describing an incident I was a part of.

In terms of the sign, if it was there as you say it was, it shouldn't have been.  I remained shocked--it must have been well-hidden.  I apologize if you say you saw it.  It isn't indicative of the way the CUA community feels, and I think that Gallaudet has been around Catholic University enough to know that.

But the 'racial insult' stuff is wrong.

First of all, the fans you are talking about could hear.  They weren't students.  Nobody ever said they were.   These group was interacting with the Catholic fans during the whole 1st half.   Nobody said anything to them thinking they couldn't hear since we knew they weren't deaf.  And since the whole thing started when she told me to 'shut up,'  its pretty clear that wasn't the issue.  The issue was a blantanly false accusation that somebody around where I was sitting used a racial slur.    It flat out didn't happen.  You weren't there so you don't know, you can take her word for it if you want but it was false.  And we have every right to be insulted to be accused of something like that.  You wouldn't like it either, I'm sure.

And finally, your statement that: "I hate the fact that every one of you are referring to us as animals and talking about how crazy we are."

Is an exxageration.  Not everyone is calling you 'animals.'  I think one person used that term and that was somebody at the game last night who obviously feels passionate.  Everyone understands that we are talking about a SMALL minority of fans.  I think people have shown respect to the Gallaudet program all year in here and you shouldn't just dismiss that because of some negative comments.  Its legitimate to question how a situation like the one last night could happen--that should be raising red flags that security is not accurate and that some fans went overboard.   That doesn't mean people are calling all Gallaudet fans 'animals.'

[mwgoonie]

What ever happened to the days of stealing your rivals school mascots?

[mwcsid]

Or showing up two hours early to an away game to avoid paying and jeering the other team as they shoot around...

[mwgoonie]

Yeah, Andre, you still owe Andy Dickman for hitting those two 3's in warm-ups. So pay up!

[John Rusnak]

I remember the days when it was cheap shots from the Gallaudet players that everybody was worried about, not the fans.

[John Rusnak]

In responce to your comparison to ACC fans I was wondering, have you ever been to a division 1 basketball game?  There are set boundries that fans cannot cross.  There are real security gaurds and staff members on hand (not student staff that want fans to be crazy.  

Unless of course you're at a U of M/MSU game, in which case drunk fans can go right up to the players...and you saw what happened to that guy!

[BisonFan]

I never once justified attacking a ref. There is no justification in that. Someone made a stupid decision regarding the referee, but that person does not represent the team or the majority of its fans.  As for the sign, you can speak to the SID or the Assistant AD who REMOVED THE SIGN!!!!And yes I was offended. And to make it perfectly clear, I was there for the comment. Either way, it should not have happened, tempers shouldn't have goten that heated over a basketball game.  As for the comment about whether or not I have been to ACC game or whether or not fans can yell at Gary Williams...
I have been to plenty of ACC games and no the students don't do that. Yes, they have better security, but wouldn't you with a $4million facility?

[BisonFan]

Bison,
Problem is that you lose credibilty with me because you're inaccurately describing an incident I was a part of.

In terms of the sign, if it was there as you say it was, it shouldn't have been.  I remained shocked--it must have been well-hidden.  I apologize if you say you saw it.  It isn't indicative of the way the CUA community feels, and I think that Gallaudet has been around Catholic University enough to know that.

But the 'racial insult' stuff is wrong.

First of all, the fans you are talking about could hear.  They weren't students.  Nobody ever said they were. YES THEY WERE These group was interacting with the Catholic fans during the whole 1st half.   Nobody said anything to them thinking they couldn't hear since we knew they weren't deaf.  And since the whole thing started when she told me to 'shut up,'  its pretty clear that wasn't the issue.  The issue was a blantanly false accusation that somebody around where I was sitting used a racial slur.  YOU ARE DEFINED BY THE COMPANY YOU KEEP  It flat out didn't happen.  You weren't there so you don't know YES I WAS, you can take her word for it if you want but it was false.  And we have every right to be insulted to be accused of something like that.  You wouldn't like it either, I'm sure.

And finally, your statement that: "I hate the fact that every one of you are referring to us as animals and talking about how crazy we are."

Is an exxageration.  Not everyone is calling you 'animals.'  I think one person used that term and that was somebody at the game last night who obviously feels passionate.  Everyone understands that we are talking about a SMALL minority of fans.  I think people have shown respect to the Gallaudet program all year in here and you shouldn't just dismiss that because of some negative comments.  Its legitimate to question how a situation like the one last night could happen--that should be raising red flags that security is not accurate and that some fans went overboard.   That doesn't mean people are calling all Gallaudet fans 'animals.'