MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[John Rusnak]

No CAC refs will be working that regional, not with two CAC teams in it.

I know they don't usually cut the nets down after a regional but I think it might be appropriate for the winner to cut up the floor and take it home with them.

I'm with D-mac in that I will pay money for a piece of that floor, autographed by the Great Gamber...on a plaque would be more preferred.

[x33ycp]

actually they will be selling parts of the floor....for i believe 25 bucks.....

[mapper]

i have not been on d3hoops in a few months, but i will say from when i played in college and first started reading d3hoops in 1997, all the way up to the present there has always been one thing that was posted year after year.....................Catholic fans bi$t@ng about the refs.  you guys are now complaining about a game that has not even been played yet.  i cant help but to laugh.  hahaha
Good luck to York on making another final four run and good luck to VJC

[Matt Letourneau]

Yeah, yeah, ha ha.

Reading comprehension is a good thing.  Two Catholic fans, myself and CUGrad, have commented that in NCAA games, the officiating has been excellent.

And somehow, you come away with "you guys are now complaining about a game that has not even been played yet."

[mapper]

CUA big dog is complaining about 01 and says how it hopes it does not happen again.

here it is ..........my GUARENTEE............
CUA fans will complain about the refs after this weekend b/c they will no longer be in the tournament, they might even complain after a win, but i dont think they will get one.


PS. im still laughing

[mapper]

sorry GUARANTEE

[Warren Thompson]

If the refs are inconsistent (i.e., they fluctuate in their calls), it's just like the ups-and-downs of gasoline prices and the stock market.  We have to live with it, and there's fully nothing we can do about it.

That is, sooner or later, we'll all be fluct'd.

[andre james smith]

Matt,
   How many college basketball games have you refereed in your time? just curious

[Matt Letourneau]

Probably about as many as you have.

But that's a rather specious argument, isn't it?  Most of us can't shoot the ball, either, but that doesn't stop us from characterizing some players as good and some players as bad.  I can't throw a football 50 yards, but I can tell you Tom Brady is good and Ryan Leaf wasn't.  None of us have ever faced the sort of decisions a political leader does, yet we express our opinion on their job performance without knowing the half of what they actually do--and we're encouraged to do so!

If you're ever so slightly trying to imply that you have to have done something (presumably successfully) in order to comment on it, I would profoundly disagree.

[mapper]

Warren  I agree with you, I just hate hearing how people (CUA fans) think that everyone is out for them, mistakes happen, some  bad calls are made.  CUA has had pretty good teams the last 10 years, a national championship, elite eight, and other good tournament runs, it blows my mind that people think they always get the bad end of the calls.  Complaining about a 2001 game is crazy, I'm sure they got a couple of  calls to go their way, they won a national championship that year.



ps. Matt im still laughing hahahahahahaha

[Matt Letourneau]

Well I'm glad you've gotten some sunshine today, mapper.

But before you get so worked up, you really should go back and look at the thread.  The only reason anyone is talking about that game in 2001 is because I wanted to know what happened.  I wasn't at that game, and I remember hearing stories about how crazy it was, so I asked somebody who was there to tell the story.

I was interested because there were 4 technical fouls against Catholic and a parent was thrown out.  You don't see that every day.  But CUGrad made a point after telling the story of saying that the officiating in that game was the exception from his NCAA experience, and that the crews are usually quite good.

So I think you've got the wrong impression here.   And if you think that CUA fans are the only people on this board these days complaining about officials, you're crazy. If you had been here a week earlier you have seen multiple posts blaming the officials for Gallaudet losing at the buzzer, for instance.

I don't think CUA always gets the bad end of calls and I've never given you a reason to think I do.  I think the overall officiating in the league is very poor and I'm hardly alone.  Most games this season it was EVENLY poor.  Nobody benefited from it.  But I don't happen to think that 69 free throws in a championship game, for instance is the best way to officiate a basketball game.  Perhaps you disagree (maybe you were a hell of a free throw shooter).  Since Catholic won the game and probably benefited from the way it was called, I don't see how I can be accused of thinking MY team got screwed for pointing that out.   I'm just being fair and consistant.

[cuabigdog]

just remember that for all those who can't make the trip to "THE KITCHEN" or couldn't get a ticket you can catch all the action right here on D3 HOOPS !!!!

GO CARDS !!!!!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Matt... I wasn't refering to your comments about the Championship game... and no I wasn't there... I was covering the OTHER championship game.

I was refering to the simple fact that you seem to have a heart attack at games at almost every call made. And when you come on here in the last few years... 75% of your posts mention a refs call.

So, my comment was about your overall view of refs and their calls. Ease up and breathe. You get fired up way too easily at their calls, their lack of calls, and then when people complain they are tired of hearing you complain.

Again... my thought was I think your expectations are TOO high and instead of watching and enjoying the games... you get too concerned about the refs.

Remember... I have seen you at games (more than you think you have seen me at), so I do know what I am talking about.

I will see you tomorrow night... and CUA fans... look forward to a possible rematch with YCP.

[andre james smith]

Matt,
   I am in no way trying to say that I have reffed at that level, nor that I would be any good at it.  I would like to make the point that refereeing on the court in COMPLETELY different from watching it from the stands.  My first two years at UMW I would watch the games wondering if the refs were even serious with some of the calls that they would make, at times it would seem as if they would consciously make the wrong call.  I then had the experience of reffing extensively at the intramural level which is obviously not even close to the game speed of skill seen in the CAC.  I quickly learned that I would be able to ref these games to near perfection from my perch in the bleachers, but being on the court is completely different.  What we see from the stands is not close to what they see on the court.  Another thing that you must consider as that these guys referee DIVISION III basketball after they work their regular jobs.  You cannot expect these guys to perform the same way you see on TV in the NBA or even division I.  They are basically at the bottom of the barrel as far as basketball referees go and you should no more expect them to perfectly officiate a UMW/CUA game then you should expect a first year law student to get a conviction in a murder case.
I think we would all appreciate it if you would just accept that this is how things will be until the CAC starts paying these guys 40k a year to do this and take the poor officiating as a given in each contest.

[Matt Letourneau]

First, I'm fine with having this sort of civilized discussion, so I don't mind explaining myself a little bit.

Are you spying on me again DMac?  LOL.   What I'm saying is that I've gotten better.  I don't argue as much as I used to, and I don't complain as much as I used to on my posts.  With all due respect, I don't think you've seen me more than a couple times this year---I wasn't even up at Goucher.  If you asked my wife she'd tell you I've mellowed.  Maybe its that she's picked up some of my slack, maybe its just that I'm resigned to bad officiating.  I think if you've really been paying attention to what I've said after games this year, you would notice that I haven't mentioned the officials in most of them.  I'm made an effort to only mention officiating when it seriously affected the outcome of the game.  I also think you guys tend to give others a pass for complaining about calls and not me.  I can take it, fine, but its unfair.

I'm not too concerned with the refs when I watch a game--I'm 100% concerned with winning.  And when the officials start UNFAIRLY getting in the way of winning, I do get irritated.  Everybody does.   But I'm not somebody who argues every call that goes against the team I'm rooting for.  I've learned the game well enough to know when a foul call is legit. 

Andre, I understand what you're saying.  I know that being out there is much more difficult, of course.  But these guys are professionals and they do get paid.  Its not their career, no, but its not the career for officials in other leagues and high schools either.  I don't think officiating is bad in general, I think its bad in this league compared to other leagues and high schools.   I talk to people at games all the time who have kids that play high school sports and they all say that they'd take the high school refs who are just as part time over the CAC refs any day.   There are coaches in this league who have coached at other leagues and they'll tell you the consistency of officiating in the CAC is worse.

Nobody is asking for perfection, just some logic and consistency.  Of course they're going to miss calls.  That isn't the issue.  The issue is how often, effort, and consistency. Fortunately, we're out of league officials, and its not an issue anymore.