MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[John Rusnak]

just thought i'd quote myself.

Brings to mind only one thing...

"Quote myself: A white man wants to win first, look good second.  A black man wants to look good first and lose second.

That's the most ridiculous philosophical piece of bullsh*t I've ever heard."

[rollingthunda]

As a fan, and i attend many games and often engage in heckling, there a few rules to abide by. These rules are just plan moral common sense and keeps cheering for your team and heckling within the competitive arena:

1. No racial/sexual/disability jabs
2. After the game, leave the refs alone.
3. Fans can cheer for their team, against/for refs, and against/for other teams, fans should not be threatening to fight opposing team's fans, etc. Just not classy.
4. Opposing fans, after the game, leave the game on the court/in the stands. Many times after games with heated cheering, I've ending talking with the opposing team's fans and talking about good/funny cheers for either side.
5. For current students, if you're going to arrive with a measurable BAC, try to kep in perspective that your cheering may be offensive/go over the line with some fans (especially with children, etc) in the crowd.

Anyways, just some things I've pick up going to CAC, NCAA tourney, out-of conference games. Feel free to add or discuss.

just thought i'd quote myself. All serious fans of the CAC/D3 get into the games, and sometimes get too wrapped up in the game. Rarely, do serious fans go over these bounds. Its 100% of the time the line is crossed is by drunken idiots who probably won't attend d3 games after they graduate (if they do graduate).

I still attend games post-graduation.  I maybe the exception to the rule though.

[Pat Coleman]

I still attend games post-graduation.  I maybe the exception to the rule though.

Depends. Were you a drunken idiot who crossed the line?

[andre james smith]

Matt,
  Your lack of ability to recognize one wrongdoing without automatically pointing out something else that has happened in the past has occurred again.  By trying to compare a Mary Wash student who is actually Catholic dressing up as Jesus at a baskeball to a sign mocking people for a disability is hard to comprehend.  Ever since four years ago when my friends and I were physically threatened, pushed, had belongings stolen, and then asked by security to move I have had a certain axe to grind against the CUA fans.  I know this publicity may look bad for the CAC and D3 in general, and I'm sure I'll catch crap for it, but I do feel some major satisfaction for the bad seeds in the CUA stands getting called out on HBO for the whole nation to see.

Exerpt from Cua.edu...

The Catholic University of America recognizes that its distinctive character ultimately depends on the intellectual and moral quality of its members. To create an environment that is intellectually stimulating and characterized by the generosity and mutual support required for collegial life and personal growth, the university seeks men and women who are not only professionally competent but who also can contribute to its Catholic, moral and cultural milieu. The university seeks to preserve its tradition of collegial governance, fostering a climate within which all members of the university community have sufficient opportunities to influence deliberation and choice.  Though a research and teaching institution, the university recognizes that it is part of a larger community to which it has certain obligations consistent with its character. Its presence in the nation's capital and its unique relationship with the Catholic Church in America provide it with opportunities for influencing the resolution of the crucial issues of our time.

[Cardinal guy]

Yeah, you're right. Definitely mocking a religion (catholic my balls?) should be considered OK.

Hey, listen, I hope the person with the sign goes through the campus judicial system, because they deserve it. At least we keep our student body president out of jail.

[andre james smith]

Catholic is the NAME OF THE SCHOOL, A$$...
Myself, would appreciate "Mary Wash my balls", "Salisbury steaks smell like balls", or "MaryMount my balls" as mocking a team name... I do not think that my Roman Catholic friend meant to mock HIS OWN RELIGION.. get a clue.

[Cardinal guy]

Oh thanks, I wasn't aware. Oh wait, I was.

I'm pretty sure that's not really the point. It's still mocking a religion. It's not as bad as the sign that was apparently brought to the Catholic/Gallaudet game but you can't pretend that it isn't offensive.

Jesus was funny. I was at that game. And there's no need to shout, is there? I can read you just fine in normal upper and lower case letters.

I also think you're overstating the viewership of HBO. It isn't like it was on The Sopranos or something.

[andre james smith]

Either way, more people know about the sign than knew that CUA won the national championship.... and the sign wasn't apparently there, it actually was there my friend... anways I think we have beaten this subject to death.  The truth of the matter is that I am deeply saddened by CUA's departure from the CAC as I will now have to find another team to abhor.  I feel like we are the Red Sox after the dreaded Yankees have been sent to the National League.  Looking towards next season, how about them Eagles returning EVERYBODY???

[Pat Coleman]

Either way, more people know about the sign than knew that CUA won the national championship.

In the national consciousness, the level of both is really zero. The notoriety is a moot point. The sign itself is not and although this was actually beaten to death before both of you jumped in, there's nothing anyone here can do about it, unless someone wants to rat out their friend to whomever the dean of students is these days. As an alumnus, I would support the campus judicial system being used regardless of whether it was on TV or not.

[andre james smith]

I think the Dean is actually Cheeeeese, you know, that guy that Morley and Hilleary threw in the dumpster back in the day....

[Matt Letourneau]

I never mentioned the guy dressed up like Jesus, I was talking about the sign.  But at least, after all these years, you actually admit he was dressing up like Jesus.  We wasted a hell of a lot of bandwith with you guys trying to tell us he was actually dressing up like Gandolf or something ridiculous.

If you want to go ahead and feel morally superior because your friend's sign said 'Cath-o-lick my balls' (which, by the way, nobody ever removed) and you think the idiot CUA fan's sign was worse, than go ahead.

I still think most people get the point, even if you don't: every school has idiots that do stupid things. But the good news for you is that you've still got one more year of CUA to abhor.  Not that I blame you. Since 1993, Mary Washington is 7-27 against Catholic.  Dangerously close to the Mendoza line (.206).  Better win a few games next year.

If you scroll back a page or two, by the way, you'd see that I already said I thought Mary Wash would be very good next year. 

[kitchenrat]

I think the Dean is actually Cheeeeese, you know, that guy that Morley and Hilleary threw in the dumpster back in the day....

Awesome use of an Old School quote, and a relatively obscure one at that.

I think we can put this crap to bed now. Every school in the country is going to have fans that embarrass the alumni for a simple fact: the alumni are older. We all did something when we were young that we wish we hadn't and some of us even crossed the line and learned from our shame.

Point of example: I went to St. Joseph's Preparatory Seminary, in Princeton NJ for my first two years of High School. (Yes, I was studying to enter the Seminary and become a Priest) I played on the basketball team and got a double tech in the first 5 minutes of a game for both taking the Lord's name in vain while berating a ref for a call and then after that tech I used a string of bad words to boast about what I would do with his wife that night. I was 15, stupid and in training to become a Roman Catholic Priest and I was dumb enough to cross a line. I wish now I never did it, and believe you me, the punishment taught me a lesson I have carried with me for the last 15 years. I'm sure my coach who was both an alumnus of the school and a Priest was more let down in me than he could say, but steps were taken to make me learn that was not a way you can behave as a PERSON, religion aside.

[bbald eagle]

  I'm willing to guess that most of the Mary Washington fans wouldn't have thought the infamous "Cath-o-lick My Balls" side was a good idea either.

The slogan reappeared this year on tee shirts at UMW when CUA visited Goolrick. I thought it very inappropriate.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I played on the basketball team and got a double tech in the first 5 minutes of a game for both taking the Lord's name in vain while berating a ref for a call and then after that tech I used a string of bad words to boast about what I would do with his wife that night.

It is of course bad behavior, but let me thank you for hands down one of the funniest stories I have read about getting a "T". I know it wasn't funny at the time, but that beats any other reason I have heard for a tech. It could have been the way you told the story... but thanks for the laugh - I needed one this morning.

As for the rest of the issue... OK... we get the point! It has been something I have said for years... show some class, be respectful, and show good sportsmanship. To be honest, this conference as a whole has had a problem with all of these matters when it comes to thier fans. I would argue it is at the top of the Mid-Atlantic when it comes to bad behavior as a conference. It is a same and I certainly wish it would get cleaned up (though, it has come a long way since the SMC days!!!).

Quickly, I want to congratulate CUA and YCP... while their seasons came to end quicker than I thought and we didn't get a chance to see a rematch in the tourney... the teams certainly kept it interesting this past weekend. I think Widener certainly had a great game plan to beat both teams... but it was two of the more exciting games to watch this year.

[mwgoonie]

and here I thought we'd run out of topics to talk about since no CAC team (mens) is still playing....

Go Lady Eagles!