MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

bbsquared · February 18, 2007, 10:43:52 AM

Great points D-Mac. UMW has some size in the program, but they have chosen to play small ball. When you hit 20 threes, you look great. The problem is that very few programs consistently hit more than 12 a game. That leaves you very little wiggle room on off nights. Also, a program that can score from several areas makes the "D" work a larger area and opens more opportunities.

Matt Letourneau · February 18, 2007, 11:54:47 AM

D-Mac--yeah, I know. I think we basically agree.

BB--well its even worse than that--they didn't even have an "off" night, but it still wasn't enough. I guess they just need to be extremely hot. They really need more from Baker, but he was very well defended.

D-Mac is totally right on Pierce--it was bizarre. I've never seen a "big" guy try to make himself SMALLER when he got in the post....huh?

I just don't see them beating York on the road. York can pretty much shoot with them, and McGowan is probably too much for them to stop.

mwgoonie · February 18, 2007, 12:16:05 PM

Quote from: mwgoonie on February 17, 2007, 01:59:01 PM

However, if UMW loses this game. I dont think they'll be much of a factor in the tourney. They've had plenty of opportunities late in the season to win big games, ie york, hood, marymount, smc, ....losing to CUA wouldn't help. So UMW needs this game to gain some sort of coherence for the tourney.

Yeah, what i said early still applies. However, I'll still make it up to the game, at least to see the new gym. Also, ever since last year, something has been seriously wrong with my mike lee's ankle. they tape that ankle up well for games and has adapted a tall sock to cover it up. after every game he limps around. Certainly doesn't help his speed or jumping (esp. from 3 land) which doesn't help confidence.

But alas, i hope for a good game at YCP, but can UMW be motivated?

mwgoonie · February 18, 2007, 12:23:21 PM

In fact, I may just post another thing, so I get closer.

The officiating at the mw/cua game was bad. make up calls, not calling things on both ends. I think it can be explained by the two different styles of play. CUA's big men fly around after rebounds, etc in the low post, fouls are more likely to be called, especially bc the CUA big men look so much more bigger than mw's players. The sheer physicality of CUA caused alot of fouls - guards use their hands alot. I noticed when wheeler posts up, he hooks the defenders with his off arm to spin around them - leading to alot of points inside for him. alot fo UMW's fouls were reactions to physical and quick play of CUA. Like they were a step behind.

mwgoonie · February 18, 2007, 12:25:51 PM

oh and the crowd, very quiet until the last 2 minutes with Kelley going in and the other seniors coming in/out. A little dissappointed although, looks like it was really a close game so that kept 'em quiet. But you'd think it's Senior Day, let's get rowdy? They're saving up for the tourney.

mwgoonie · February 18, 2007, 12:28:10 PM

As for HOOD not handling this league? I think they have it down. Seems like us CAC faithful overestimated our league, thinking outsiders couldn't win here. Just shows you how average we really are.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 18, 2007, 12:33:09 PM

Quote from: mwgoonie on February 18, 2007, 12:16:05 PM
Also, ever since last year, something has been seriously wrong with my mike lee's ankle. they tape that ankle up well for games and has adapted a tall sock to cover it up. after every game he limps around. Certainly doesn't help his speed or jumping (esp. from 3 land) which doesn't help confidence.

Something is actually wrong with Mike Lee... won't burn my source by saying what... but he isn't 100% and hasn't been for a long time.

Quote from: mwgoonie on February 18, 2007, 12:23:21 PM
In fact, I may just post another thing, so I get closer.
The officiating at the mw/cua game was bad. make up calls, not calling things on both ends. I think it can be explained by the two different styles of play. CUA's big men fly around after rebounds, etc in the low post, fouls are more likely to be called, especially bc the CUA big men look so much more bigger than mw's players. The sheer physicality of CUA caused alot of fouls - guards use their hands alot. I noticed when wheeler posts up, he hooks the defenders with his off arm to spin around them - leading to alot of points inside for him. alot fo UMW's fouls were reactions to physical and quick play of CUA. Like they were a step behind.

Just curious... since when is officiating supposed to fair and equal to both teams. As I wrote earlier, CUA was playing an agressive man-to-man defense... while UMW played mostly a conservative 2-3 zone. Just on paper that would tell me that CUA is going to be called for more fouls.

And yes... UMW was a step behind... all game long!

Quote from: mwgoonie on February 18, 2007, 12:28:10 PM
As for HOOD not handling this league? I think they have it down. Seems like us CAC faithful overestimated our league, thinking outsiders couldn't win here. Just shows you how average we really are.

Couldn't have said it better. Another reason this conference is NOT in the top five in the nation.

Pat Coleman · February 18, 2007, 12:48:55 PM

Nonsense posts just for the sake of getting someone to 200 will be deleted and smited for.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 18, 2007, 01:18:18 PM

Ouch!!!

mwgoonie · February 18, 2007, 01:22:18 PM

Ha, I knew you'd get me but at least i got attention. And even some good attention from another poster.
i will never say smc seagulls again....

Lee= bad ankle, etc.... Gotta love his heart for always being out there
Hood= should take CAC crown.
Calls at CUA/UMW game = officiating should be fair in the sense that both teams, coaches, and fans should have fouls called for fouls, not make up calls, or ticky tak fouls. I understand touchy fouls when the game is getting heated, but this game was never "heated" in that sense. And one team shouldnt be penalized so playing physical, but CUA was far more physical than MW and because of the contrast of play, their physicality stood out more. and yes, man to man, and being bigger than the other team, will leads to more fouls. Not saying CUA was wrong but the contrast led to more fouls.

mwgoonie · February 18, 2007, 01:26:57 PM

Open topic: Most likely 1st round upset? Excluding the 4/5 matchup which I think is very even.

Gotta be the 2/7 matchup? As mentioned earlier, SAL is a very good 7 seed. the ycp/umw matchup is interesting but i dont think they have the power to win.

Pat, is there a format for posting fan pics on this forum? Would be nice to have sids or fans post digital pics from games.

kitchenrat · February 18, 2007, 05:18:48 PM

I think we'll see a much more focused Spartans team on Tuesday night. I think they got a little too fired up early on for Senior night. They got the first bucket of the night from Shane Beccio who started for the first time in 4 years, and then started to go in to a bit of a hole. I know Chad will come out looking to have a huge game to follow up what was one of the worst games I ever saw him play. He was getting thrown all over the floor by Gutekunst and Robine and I think it distracted him a bit.

Even with a win, this will be the last game Joe and Brad play on campus at York, unless Salisbury can take Catholic down which is a tall order. So I think we will she some big games out of the two of them. These are guys who played big minutes and had big games in the Sweet 16 two years ago, so they are in tune with what it means to play in a big game.

I think York should beet Mary Washington, but we all know anything can happen in the tourny! I'm looking forward to seeing the Grumbacher jumpin on Tuesday.

CACsportsnut · February 18, 2007, 06:17:43 PM

Question kitchenrat....Why has Yeck been limited in his playing time as of late? Injury I am sure, but what is injured on him? When he is out, they give his playing time to two freshman guards. Don't get me wrong, Nick Brady is extremely impressive for being a freshman and just has a well-polished all around game, and Bennett Foelber will turn some heads next season, he is showing a good upside as well....but it is tourney time, and it always stings to not have a senior leader, especially one with a lot of post-season experience, not at full health

seagull fan · February 18, 2007, 06:34:41 PM

Does anyone know why Ozi Menakaya did not play against Marymount in the five overtime game and why he didnt play again on saturday against Hood? I dont know if its smart to sit someone of his importance to a team so late in the season. And i think that if he doesnt play against Catholic, it may get ugly for salisbury in DC? Anyones reasons or thoughts on this?

hoodfan · February 18, 2007, 10:10:05 PM

Seagull Fan, evidently Menakaya was dismissed from the team. I was talking to someone from Salisbury yesterday at the Hood game, and apparently there have been different issues all year long. He was off the team for a few games earlier in the season, only to return and play again. There must have been some problems more recently, and he was removed from the team. He didn't play in either Hood game during the regular season. They list him at 6'2", yet I believe he was near the top of the conference and nation in rebounding. That certainly is a big blow for them. It doesn't sound like he is playing in the tourney.