MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[cugrad]

Is it OK to mention that the officiating was good during Catholic's home losses to Goucher and Gallaudet. Who is anybody on this site to tell someone their post is dumb? Are you kidding me? I don't post too much, but I have been reading this site since Maloney played for Catholic. You can't imagine the volume of garbage that I have read over the years. I would never make a derogatory comment like the ones made by Mr. Coleman and other posters. Mr. Coleman, don't you think that a comment like the one you made may cause a poster not to post? Is that what you want for this site? Do you want to drive people away? Both you and D-Mac are affiliated with this site, and you should act with some degree of professionalism. 

What has been stated about the officiating at Catholic last night is quite accurate. They lost complete control of the situation. It is a crime that Odumero was not ejected! I sat 15 feet from where this took place. I almost got crushed as the "melee" came toward the stands. I had to get up and move rather quickly. This kind of poor officiating should, indeed, be talked about. 

[ex_mu14]

Why stuff like this always happen at CUA?

[Matt Letourneau]

Well the problem is that in this case, some of the posters were too quick to jump on somebody without knowing what really happened at the game.  I'm sure that they would now agree that perhaps it was appropriate to bring up the officiating when you have a situation like that.

[ex_mu14]

True, its not the officials job to control the crowd. I think all schools should have security at the games for the safety of the players, fans and officials..

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I disagree Matt... a fight involving the fans and a player after everyone was jawing back and forth still does not give reason to critize the refs in a 20 point blow out for thier job overall in the game.

It would also be said that bigdog should be telling the whole story... not a small portion of it for everyone to try and understand.

Again... complaining about a 7-1 foul ratio in a 20 point blow out... which was the example given first... is ridiculous.

The fight... stupid! Did refs miss it? Obviously! But it is a COMPLETELY different issue regarding the refs overall for the game.

I stand by the rule... not allowed to critical of refs for their work in an entire game when you are blowing a team out. Being critical of how they handled that incident is understandable, but a poster better point it out as the example... not a foul descrepency (sp?).

[mwgoonie]

First of all, finally we're getting some fire from the fans. It's good to get involved and emotional about these games. There huge.

Second, we all know the refs will make questionable calls. Being at the york/umw game, the refs did a very good job. york had a good 2nd half run and got to the line alot which is directly correlated to the fact that the game was heating up and they were down double digits and needed to pick up the aggressiveness, etc.

Third, no one called the YCP Spartans sore losers. They played a great game, if McGowan hadn't gotten his fourth foul about midway through the 2nd half, we could be talking a different game. Hell, YCP made their run WITHOUT him on the court. So there is no need to take things personally.

Fourth, since when is traveling 3.5 hrs through dc/balt rush hour to see your team classless. Of the fans there: no one cussed, threatened physical harm, racial slurs, etc. We cheered "defense", "lets go Eagles" we stomped the ground, we copied YCP FT cheer (we spelled out the FT shooters namewhile they were at the line....oohhooh, scary..) and used it against them. After a questionable call, we chanted "Homer" to the ref for calling for the home team. People did take offense to the fans who cheered "defense" and stomped their YCP shirts and stopped when an unidentified person said that was disrespectful but seriously, classless? Far from it. We talked to the YCP cheerleaders after the game and they commented on how loud and cheerful we were...in a good way. We hung out with a YCP student and talked the game. Funny how everyone that said the few Eagle fans were "classless" and dont say what they did?!? We were louder than the whole York gym, so I guess we're open to more scrutiny. Heck, Gandalf wasn't even there, no drums, no trombones. So, YCP, please don't call out people for being classless.

Anyways, Thursday's match up should be great. CUA is hot and UMW's seniors are focusing at the right time. I'm sure their won't be any fights, etc. But Matt, etc. get some fans in there - games are much better in a packed house.

[mwgoonie]

Yes, Hale is very good long range and he'll be around for 2 more years after this.
But with him, it's all about the "I want it late in the game" factor.

[cugrad]

My biggest concern is not the talk about officiating, but rather the childish comments by some on this board. I, too, look forward to Thursday's game with Mary Wash. Should be a great one!

GO CARDS!!!

[Matt Letourneau]

Why stuff like this always happen at CUA?

Well, probably because we always get everybody's best shot, and when certain teams and fans lack discipline and get frustrated they do stupid things.

In actuality though, the only other time I've ever seen anything like this was after a Marymount game a few years ago, when there were some fan incidents like this.  I've never seen a player go after a fan, and I've never seen fans rush across the court.

[Matt Letourneau]

I disagree Matt... a fight involving the fans and a player after everyone was jawing back and forth still does not give reason to critize the refs in a 20 point blow out for thier job overall in the game.

It would also be said that bigdog should be telling the whole story... not a small portion of it for everyone to try and understand.

Again... complaining about a 7-1 foul ratio in a 20 point blow out... which was the example given first... is ridiculous.

The fight... stupid! Did refs miss it? Obviously! But it is a COMPLETELY different issue regarding the refs overall for the game.

I stand by the rule... not allowed to critical of refs for their work in an entire game when you are blowing a team out. Being critical of how they handled that incident is understandable, but a poster better point it out as the example... not a foul descrepency (sp?).

But you can't view the game in a vacuum like that!  If you let things get out of hand on the court, its not surprising it spills over into the stands.  This game had spiraled out of control at the point when they fight occured.  The Salisbury players were playing WAY too physical and nothing was being called.  They were pumped up and they weren't in control, and they were getting away with murder.  You can't tell me that didn't lead to this sort of outburst.

Then, the fight itself was just unbelieveable.  Ordered was restored, sure, but you can't let a player got into the stands and physically get involved with somebody else.  You just can't.  What you are saying to me is that if the NBA officials who did the Pacers-Pistons game last year had not ejected the players who went into the stands, then I wouldn't be justified in saying they did a poor job at that game.

Had the fight not occured, I would have thought that they were bad, but I wouldn't be making an issue of it here on this board for precisely the reason you mentioned--it was a big win for Catholic.  But at the point when those same officials not only did a piss poor job officiating, but also failed to eject a player for fighting with a fan AND didn't have fans ejected who stormed across the court, well, I'm sorry--those guys deserve to get buried.  They didn't do their jobs.

[andre james smith]

Matt,
  I have personally been physically threatened several times and had possessions stolen from me at CUA/UMW games at Dufour by CUA students.  I have no idea what happened last obviously and am not placing blame on anyone at all, just speaking from experience... not a sermon, just a thought.

[ycp]

MWCGoonie,
I should clarify my comments. I thought the majority of the UMW fans were great. They were good fans. My classless comment came from some of the behavior of their adult fans. I give a pass to the college aged fans but the way two of your adults acted was embarrassing. I didn't go into detail because in the big picture it had nothing to do with the outcome of the game. Mary Washington played well last night and, ultimately, made one more play than York.
I was not happy that we lost and their behavior really rubbed me the wrong way. Nothing you are going to say is going to change what I saw with my own eyes.

[Matt Letourneau]

Matt,
  I have personally been physically threatened several times and had possessions stolen from me at CUA/UMW games at Dufour by CUA students.  I have no idea what happened last obviously and am not placing blame on anyone at all, just speaking from experience... not a sermon, just a thought.

Yes, and Catholic students have had the same experience at Mary Washington.  Of course, we also had a player threatened by your AD, but that's a different story.

But none of the past-CUA-MW skirmishes were like this.  No players in the stands, nobody actually physically pushing people around, etc.  Sounds like last night's YCP-UMW game was a similar atmosphere to what CUA-UMW has been in the past.  We didn't have that at Catholic last night--we had a fairly sedate affair going until 7:00 or so left in the game when things got out of control.  There were not many Salisbury fans in the first place, and the ones that were there were either somebody's parents or somebody's "crew."

Anyway, in all the excitement I failed to note that with last night's victory, Catholic notched its TENTH consecutive 20 win season (I said it would be 9 yesterday, but as I've previously noted, math is not my strong suit).  A remarkable decade-long run and a great achievement for the program.  Other schools are able to put together a run with a particularly good class, but Catholic's been able to sustain it with continued good players and coaching. 

All that being said--now they have to beat the Eagles again! Playing for the second time in  a week is a challenge--I always feel like the team that lost has a little advantage there.  But I can't imagine the game plans will be much different for either team.  Mary Washington has smart, veteran players though and I'm sure they'll try to make some adjustments.  I don't know that you can say their seniors are getting "hot" at the right time, unless you define "hot" as one win following two losses, but the fact that they did beat York at York and they were the favorites at the beginning of the year sets this thing up pretty nicely.

I hope there is a good crowd--a BETTER crowd than last night.  I know Tuesday is a big night for classes--even I had to miss a first round playoff game my senior year--but Mary Wash is usually a pretty good draw so I think it will be a good atmosphere.

[mwgoonie]

Anyways, Thursday's match up should be great. CUA is hot and UMW's seniors are focusing at the right time. I'm sure their won't be any fights, etc. But Matt, etc. get some fans in there - games are much better in a packed house.

I said CUA is hot and the UMW seniors are focusing at the right time. So - there ya go, but thanks for pointing out that we won at york after two losses.

You're right on the crowd atmosphere, me being one of the few CAC fans that go to away games, YCP/MW game last night was familiar in that fans and players were affected by our cheering. Good.

YCP - fine. We can leave it at that. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

[mwgoonie]

Oh, and I posted my rules of cheering almost exactly one year ago for the same reason:

As a fan, and i attend many games and often engage in heckling, there a few rules to abide by. These rules are just plan moral common sense and keeps cheering for your team and heckling within the competitive arena:

1. No racial/sexual/disability jabs
2. After the game, leave the refs alone.
3. Fans can cheer for their team, against/for refs, and against/for other teams, fans should not be threatening to fight opposing team's fans, etc. Just not classy.
4. Opposing fans, after the game, leave the game on the court/in the stands. Many times after games with heated cheering, I've ending talking with the opposing team's fans and talking about good/funny cheers for either side.
5. For current students, if you're going to arrive with a measurable BAC, try to kep in perspective that your cheering may be offensive/go over the line with some fans (especially with children, etc) in the crowd.



-8, wow. made it back! Woop! Andre, we built ourselves quite the rep!