MBB: Coast 2 Coast Athletic Conference

[Salem, VA]

Andy O'Brien was a better shorter.  He would shoot the lights out of the gym.   The one thing he doesn't have is the intangibles.  Granted Chad had more talent around him but when he became "the man" he took over games and put the team on his back.   Chad has won 3 regular season championships which is more impressive then winning the tournament championships. 

They are two different players which makes it tough to decide who is better.

It's very close.

[ycp]

Having seen both Andy and Chad play, I think Chad is a more complete player. Andy was a tremendous scorer and could do some other things but Chad can rebound and defend better. It's a little hard to compare the two but I would take Chad since I believe great big men are harder to find than great guards.

We have had a number of great players that preceded both Andy and Chad but they are certainly in the top five of all-time York College greats. The teams in the early 90's had some very good players and Coach Gamber's early teams usually had some very talented guys.

[kitchenrat]

Even though he is still 60 some points behind Andy, I think it is easy to say that Chad is already the best player all time at York. When you factor in the impact he had as a young player on a team that was laden with great talent, and then consider the way he has played in the two years that he has been The Man on the team, it's easy to put him at number 1.

I have only been around the program since '94, but my top five (based on what I've seen my self and heard about from the older guys) would be something like:

1) McGowan '08
2) Andy O'Brien '01
3) Dan Johnson '95
4) Jeff Mann '93
5) Brandon Bushey '06

I know we could never get Coach to pick and choose, but he's the only one who's seen them all.

[Brett Adams]

Even though he is still 60 some points behind Andy, I think it is easy to say that Chad is already the best player all time at York. When you factor in the impact he had as a young player on a team that was laden with great talent, and then consider the way he has played in the two years that he has been The Man on the team, it's easy to put him at number 1.

I have only been around the program since '94, but my top five (based on what I've seen my self and heard about from the older guys) would be something like:

1) McGowan '08
2) Andy O'Brien '01
3) Dan Johnson '95
4) Jeff Mann '93
5) Brandon Bushey '06

I know we could never get Coach to pick and choose, but he's the only one who's seen them all.

I had the great fortune to have been around many of the above players and I probably can't speak to before 1980's.... but Wayne Johnson and Kenny Riddick (both late 70's early 80's) HAVE TO be in that mix.  During their tenure, they played Division I's and II's (and won) and narrowly missed the NCAA tournament. Coach Gamber has video of Wayne Johnson and how dominant he was against Division I centers and Kenny Riddick played during the era without the three-point line.... though he scored from the "old Spartan Head" on the kitchen floor.  Well past the three point arc.

I am not making any predictions on the individuals or the order.... just you must include these two.... and maybe a distant third would be Mike Donahue (Hall of Fame and a backcourt mate mine).

Prior to my tenure, and probably prior to Coach Gamber's tenure, the Flying Dutchman of York Junior College in the late 60's and early 70's was the dominant Pa. Junior College Team.  I remember reading about them while doing research for the Spartan (school newspaper) as I was the Sports Editor my senior year.  I just don't have the recollection to include any of the great players from that era. The only one that stands out is Roger Goodling (I believe is his name...) the former Head Men's Coach at Shippensburg Univesity.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Coach... you are dating yourself!!!!!! You sure you want to do that?!

If YCP gets to the championship game and loses, they need to pray that there aren't any other upsets in the nation. Remember, there are only 17 Pool C bids and with the new OWI and OOWI, better conferences are rewarded, not conferences like the CAC which is far weaker than most.

I while they would have 20 wins... it is the 5 losses in region that hurt them. Hood may have looked an okay loss at the beginning of the season, but not now; losing to Messiah and Wesley is not going to be good in the eyes of the committees; Nazareth may not hurt too much and Gettysburg certainly isn't a bad loss. That makes it one... maybe two losses that can be understood... not the rest.

[mwcsid]

Oh Matt...
You and your love of Rod. 

Just throwing it out there, Rod and UMW has had six straight 15-win seasons (not many around here can say that) and had eight winning seasons in 12 years with a program that had a total of four winning years out of 22 before he got here.

And 15 wins already this year, with three new starters and having the second leading scorer in school history and a senior PG graduating last year. And somehow the Eagles go 10-deep with a very inexperienced bench.

[Matt Letourneau]

Oh yeah, my shot was totally gratutious and probably completely unfair this year--haven't followed them.

But I think most know I was teasing.

I do think he (or somebody) needs to tone down the bio though...get a load of this:

In his 11 years at the helm of University of Mary Washington men's basketball, Rod Wood has established himself as one of the premier coaches in the nation. During his tenure, the Eagles have risen from the depths of the Capital Athletic Conference to become one of the elite teams in the Middle Atlantic region, and Wood has been named as the CAC Coach of the Year three times.

Really.  Overselling just a touch, aren't we?   

[Pat Coleman]

Main Entry:
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1 : first in position, rank, or importance
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[bbald eagle]

sounds like a challenge, mwcsid. what say ye?

[mwcsid]

Media guide
Pron: MEE-dee-uh * Giid

From the Latin root Meeidus guidicus, meaning "Assist in selling the program to recruits so your program can win 15-plus games six straight years"

Okay, I know you was foolin, me too.

That bio must have been written one of the years Rod and Mike won co-CAC COY 

[mwcsid]

Six teams in the Mid Atlantic region have active streaks of 15 wins in each of the past six seasons, including 07-08...
Baptist Bible (who was a member of the NCCAA until three years ago), Alvernia, DeSales, Kings, Ursinus and... Mary Washington.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Back to my points about YCP and a Pool C bid... losing to Marymount may have completely eliminated them from that "backup plan" for the NCAA Tournament.

[bbald eagle]

Media guide
Pron: MEE-dee-uh * Giid

From the Latin root Meeidus guidicus, meaning "Assist in selling the program to recruits so your program can win 15-plus games six straight years"

Okay, I know you was foolin, me too.

That bio must have been written one of the years Rod and Mike won co-CAC COY 

LOL +1   

[bbsquared]

Since we are now to crunch time for the NCAA bid, will we see an early upset in the quarters? Which game has the biggest chance for a surprise? York should handle Salisbury, and I think all three of the other games show some promise for an upset of a lower seed winning.

UMW has beaten VJ twice, but is a third time guaranteed? Wesley and Marymount are the two that I think have the best chances for an upset. Especially, Marymount over Hood. Hood has been an enigma this year since Gutekunst's loss.

What say yee, board prognosticators?

[ycp]

This should be an outstanding tournament with more than a few upsets quite possible.

Good luck to all teams.