MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

coachwgh · March 15, 2007, 10:16:55 AM

We had our banquet last night and thought I would share our award winners with everyone.
Al Mariotti Leadership Award & Glenn Simpson Academic Award - Michael Patterson
Hiram Reeves Dedication Award - Robby Lawrence
Cecil Major Defensive Award - Ben Podbielski
Delma B. Fowler Most Valuable Player Award - Antoine Maddox

old_lion · March 15, 2007, 10:30:02 AM

Shouldn't all-region selections shoot the ball and take care of the ball a little better than this?

Sorry, but it just seems like another example of one of my pet peeves ... throw it up there enough, and someone will declare you all-something ...

|- TOTAL-| |-- 3-PTS -| |- REBOUNDS -|
Player GP GS MPG FG FGA Pct 3FG FGA Pct FT FTA Pct Off Def Tot Avg A TO Blk Stl Pts Avg

Hall, Lenny 27 27 33.9 171 449 38.1% 33 125 26.4% 175 210 83.3% 27 85 112 4.1 106 97 1 66 550 20.4

Lawrence 25 24 32.7 163 370 44.1% 0 1 0.0% 104 149 69.8% 115 121 236 9.4 13 65 41 18 430 17.2

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/07/southmen.htm

old_lion · March 15, 2007, 10:41:36 AM

Quote from: coachwgh on March 15, 2007, 10:16:55 AM
We had our banquet last night and thought I would share our award winners with everyone.
Al Mariotti Leadership Award & Glenn Simpson Academic Award - Michael Patterson
Hiram Reeves Dedication Award - Robby Lawrence
Cecil Major Defensive Award - Ben Podbielski
Delma B. Fowler Most Valuable Player Award - Antoine Maddox

Nice selections ... I especially like your choice for MVP.

Also, I'd like to give a shout out to Render ... one of the leading contenders for the all-overlooked team.

## GP-GS Min FG% 3PT% FT% R/G A/G STL BLK PTS/G
55 Demetris Render..... 27-25 26.5 .493 .200 .710 5.0 0.7 33 4 15.5

Demetris, I thought you had a heck of a year. You s/h/b all-gsac.

GSAC Killer · March 15, 2007, 11:19:05 AM

Congrats to the guys at LaGrange and the awards they received.
As for the All Region Teams WOW!! WOW!! WOW!!
Sorry but Jake Baldwin does deserve to be mentioned as an All region performer but not 1st Team!! Especially not over Bobby Golden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh well.. Bobby you had a heck of a career and we need a big man for our League!! You are invited to play with Mr.Tummel, Mr.Watts and myself.. PRETTY GOOD TEAM!!

Although I disagree with Jake getting 1st Team CONGRATS TO HIM AND BOBBY!!

coachwgh · March 15, 2007, 11:45:08 AM

I should have mentioned before that these were voted on by the players with the exception of the academic award.

OldLion; I don't see anything wrong with the Lawrence kid's numbers. Yeah, he shot 44% from the post but he got 115 offensive rebounds so he probably put a few misses back in. Also Jake had 33 ast to 80 to's. Sometimes post players don't pass well out of a double team.

old_lion · March 15, 2007, 11:47:37 AM

Quote from: GSAC Killer on March 15, 2007, 11:19:05 AM
Sorry but Jake Baldwin does deserve to be mentioned as an All region performer but not 1st Team!!

Whoa Killer ... you know I gotta call BS on that statement!

Here's my challenge to you ... do a little research on these 15 guys

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/07/southmen.htm

and make your case for 5 that deserve first team more than Baldwin. I'm guessing it's going to be difficult ...

I've given you a head start ... obviously these two don't ... that only leaves you 12 to be concerned with ...

QuoteShouldn't all-region selections shoot the ball and take care of the ball a little better than this?

Sorry, but it just seems like another example of one of my pet peeves ... throw it up there enough, and someone will declare you all-something ...

|- TOTAL-| |-- 3-PTS -| |- REBOUNDS -|
Player GP GS MPG FG FGA Pct 3FG FGA Pct FT FTA Pct Off Def Tot Avg A TO Blk Stl Pts Avg

Hall, Lenny 27 27 33.9 171 449 38.1% 33 125 26.4% 175 210 83.3% 27 85 112 4.1 106 97 1 66 550 20.4

Lawrence 25 24 32.7 163 370 44.1% 0 1 0.0% 104 149 69.8% 115 121 236 9.4 13 65 41 18 430 17.2

The gauntlet has been thrown down!

old_lion · March 15, 2007, 12:19:41 PM

Quote from: coachwgh on March 15, 2007, 11:45:08 AM

OldLion; I don't see anything wrong with the Lawrence kid's numbers. Yeah, he shot 44% from the post but he got 115 offensive rebounds so he probably put a few misses back in. Also Jake had 33 ast to 80 to's. Sometimes post players don't pass well out of a double team.

Obviously, he's a good player ... either Piedmont or LaGrange would love to have him.

I'm just saying for an all-region big guy, those #s are terrible! A very good big guy should shoot at least in the 50 to 55% range from the field.

I think the 115 offensive rebounds are a significant point ... and it supports my position. That's a lot ... and the vast majority of them should have resulted in gimme buckets. So if he had 115 possessions right around the bucket off of offensive rebounds alone ... and still only made 163 out of 370 FGs ... well, I disagree with your premise. I see a lot wrong with those #s ... for an all-region big guy.

You make a good point about the TOs ... you have to live with a few from your big guys since they are handling the ball in traffic and getting doubled teamed a lot. A 2.4 to 1 TO to assist ratio is one of the weaker parts of Baldwin's otherwise outstanding overall game. But 5 to 1 for Lawrence ... I see a lot wrong with those #s ... for an all-region big guy.

GSAC Killer · March 16, 2007, 09:14:46 AM

Old Lion I have said this before: Jake is a good player but not great. Great players make "WINNING TEAMS" I don't have the slightest idea on records or stats on guys but I bet you 90% of the guys picked had a winning record or led their team to the NCAA Tournament. I didn't say he didn't deserve being mentioned I just don't think he is 1st Team caliber guy.

Hey its just my opinion

1st Team All South guys are guys like Sidney Ellis, Chris Housewright, Josh Tummel, Brent Watts and matt Enen.... JAKE IS NOT IN THAT LEAGUE!!! Good player but not 1st Team material!!

old_lion · March 16, 2007, 02:10:05 PM

Quote from: GSAC Killer on March 16, 2007, 09:14:46 AM
Old Lion I have said this before: Jake is a good player but not great. Great players make "WINNING TEAMS" I don't have the slightest idea on records or stats on guys but I bet you 90% of the guys picked had a winning record or led their team to the NCAA Tournament. I didn't say he didn't deserve being mentioned I just don't think he is 1st Team caliber guy.

Hey its just my opinion

1st Team All South guys are guys like Sidney Ellis, Chris Housewright, Josh Tummel, Brent Watts and matt Enen.... JAKE IS NOT IN THAT LEAGUE!!! Good player but not 1st Team material!!

Killer, you know I love you ... but, with all due respect, your "logic" just doesn't fly.

Your basic position, as I understand it, is that unless you are on a "top tier team" you are, by underlying assumption, just not enough of "a winner" to be considered on an equal footing with those that are on those "top tier teams".

And that "logic", my friend, if spread judiciously on your garden, will keep things blooming for quite a while.

Hey its just my opinion

To put things in perspective, by your criteria, Maravich at LSU, can't be considered 1st Team material???

LSU qualified for post season (the NIT) only once while Pete was there.

+-------------------------------------------------------------------+------------+------------------+
| Total | Shooting | Per Game |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+------------+------------------+
Season College | G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS| FG% 3P% FT%| MP TRB AST PTS|+------------------+---+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+
1967-68 lsu | 26 432 1022 274 338 195 105 1138| 42 81| 7.5 4.0 43.8|
1968-69 lsu | 26 433 976 282 378 169 128 1148| 44 75| 6.5 4.9 44.2|
1969-70 lsu | 31 522 1168 337 436 164 192 1381| 45 77| 5.3 6.2 44.5|
+------------------+---+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+
3 Seasons | 83 1387 3166 893 1152 528 425 3667| 44 78| 6.4 5.1 44.2|
+------------------+---+----+----+----+---+---+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+

ohyeah · March 16, 2007, 06:54:09 PM

Im just glad Maryville finally had an SID submit nominations for the all region team. I would have loved to see some of the Maryville guys on the previous teams, because I thought several deserved it.

Old Lion:I dont exactly echo Killa's words, but I come from the same basis. I think that the team you play on, has a direct indication on your stats. If you put Jake on Maryville, not only would he be a winner, but I see him in the 15 pts a game category and probably 5 rebs. I also think he would be a better player under Lambert's system.

By the way, comparing Pete Maravich and Jake Baldwin is like comparing the Hippo to one of Darwins finches. Nice stats though. Are you an cpa?

Thats just my two cents. Doesnt count for much.

old_lion · March 16, 2007, 10:26:31 PM

Quote from: ohyeah on March 16, 2007, 06:54:09 PM

By the way, comparing Pete Maravich and Jake Baldwin is like comparing the Hippo to one of Darwins finches. Nice stats though. Are you an cpa?

Thats just my two cents. Doesnt count for much.

That's good ... I hear you.

But I wasn't saying the two players are comparable. I was using an extreme example to try to make it obvious that you can be an outstanding player without being on a "top tier team".

Not a CPA, just a stats geek ... here is a good site where you can find the stats of a lot of the old guys.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/maravpe01.html

Your two cents are always welcome.

GSAC Killer · March 19, 2007, 10:01:54 AM

Oh Yea totally agree!! jake baldwin is not 1st Team All Region Material, SORRY!!!!! That is my opinion.

Oh Yea by the way you were absolutely amazing this Sunday. VERY VERY EFFIcient.... can´t say the same for our buddy matt Grubb. We might have to send him down to the D-League..

mattgrubb · March 19, 2007, 11:56:21 AM

the grubby one will prove his worth, he is 1st team material

mattgrubb · March 20, 2007, 11:33:57 AM

congrats to Wes Lambert and the maryville high school basketball team on their first ever state title

Wes is the man

GSAC Killer · March 20, 2007, 12:06:02 PM

Congrats to WES!! He definitely learned some things from seeing us play .. Especially WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!