MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

     Sorry OL....jumped right on your bandwagon and fell off the other side.   

No problem ... nice to have you passing through ...  Your logic was still sound.

I don't suppose choosing 10 in the GSAC or 20 in the ODAC hurts anything if you are looking to honor solid performance.

Bingo.  DIII guys work their asses off w/o scholarships, big crowds , or a lot of media recognition ... What's the harm in handing out a few atta boys at the end of the year?

What's the atta boy mean if everyone gets one?

[old_lion]

What's the atta boy mean if everyone gets one?

Pat,

Don't worry about it ... To paraphrase a popular expression, "It's an empathy thing, you wouldn't understand."

I'm guessing you don't have kids, haven't coached a lot of kids ... you just don't have a lot of empathy for kid's feelings. At least it appears that way.  It's just a concept you have a difficult time relating to. That's OK ... everyone is different. That's why Baskin-Robbins has 31 flavors.

Why don't we just agree to "discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect." 

[Pat Coleman]

I have three kids and I've coached youth basketball and baseball. Any other assumptions? I just don't coddle grown men -- remember, that's what college students are.

I don't see where I am disrespecting you, sir -- I simply do not agree with your opinion.

[Spencer Beaty]

I don't think you need to try to destroy my credibility.  I don't have any credibility anyway.  What I am trying to say is if I only have the spot of PG to fill and I have to pick green or watson there is no choice.  Yes we need another point guard if watson is going to play a 2 guard, because jared isn't that great.  I would also question your credibility as Green's father (maybe slightly biased).  I will stand by my statement that you have argued against so vehemently that this year Watson was the best point guard in the GSAC because that was his postition.  Him and jared never touched the floor at the same time.

[old_lion]

What I am trying to say is if I only have the spot of PG to fill and I have to pick green or watson there is no choice. 

My bad Spence. I can see how you could have misunderstood me ... when I talk about pure PGs, I am talking about a specific skill set ... not only physical, but also a special approach to the game, a certain mindset. A lot of casual fans have no idea what I'm talking about ... you may be one of them. If so, next time you see Placares (sp?) ask him to explain it.

And I'll admit that's my bias. I have a real affinity for and respect for pure PGs. I have done a good bit of coaching over the years ... and I noticed one thing ... I was a much better coach, my teams just functioned better, whenever I had a pure PG on the floor.

The gsac has made it clear that not everyone shares my appreciation for the intangibles ... the synergy a pure PG brings to the table. In the last four years, there has been 3 very good ones in the gsac ... Raul Placares, Jake Green, and Landon Baize.

I don't think you need to try to destroy my credibility.  I don't have any credibility anyway. 

Well that's a hard statement to argue with. 

You and I really don't disagree as much as we are just talking about different things. Trust me, Watson and Green would do quite well playing together in the same backcourt. I'd take them both in a heartbeat.   

[coachwgh]

It has been a long year and a long night and with my first child coming into the world sometime in the next 18 days, the days aren't going to get any shorter either.  It is bad enough to lose a game on the last possession but when it ends a season or for some a career, it makes it even tougher.  Now don't get me wrong we lost that game way before the last possession, but we again put ourselves in a one possession game on the road and you cannot do that with any kind of success.  Demetris Render leaves this league as one of the best scorers it has seen.  He has gone left 99% of his career and I can count on one hand the amount of times teams have been able to eliminate him from what we do.  That really sums up his life.  He is going to get things done no matter what you try to do to stop him.  Landon Baize played since Jan. 1 without an ACL in his knee.  I have questioned his size, his decisions and his manhood over the last four seasons but I never questioned his heart.  Roger McDowell has been a part of what we do for every single game of his career.  I have never met a tougher individual in my life.  When he comes back in the fall to finish his degree and walks that stage next May there will be tears in my eyes.  I don't really know what the expression "love you like a son" really feels like since I won't really know until it happens in the coming days but these three guys have given me some of the best practice a man could get on how to love like a father.

I hope the GSAC remains, if for no other reason than to keep the young men at LaGrange competing for something.  They deserve it.

[old_lion]

Demetris Render ... Landon Baize ... Roger McDowell ...

The LaGrange seniors ... they have been great competitors. I have enjoyed watching them play and have appreciated the consistent effort and heart they've played with the last four years.

Attaboy guys!  Here's wishing you the best in your future endeavors!

[MCScotsFan]

It has been a long year and a long night and with my first child coming into the world sometime in the next 18 days, the days aren't going to get any shorter either.  It is bad enough to lose a game on the last possession but when it ends a season or for some a career, it makes it even tougher.  Now don't get me wrong we lost that game way before the last possession, but we again put ourselves in a one possession game on the road and you cannot do that with any kind of success.  Demetris Render leaves this league as one of the best scorers it has seen.  He has gone left 99% of his career and I can count on one hand the amount of times teams have been able to eliminate him from what we do.  That really sums up his life.  He is going to get things done no matter what you try to do to stop him.  Landon Baize played since Jan. 1 without an ACL in his knee.  I have questioned his size, his decisions and his manhood over the last four seasons but I never questioned his heart.  Roger McDowell has been a part of what we do for every single game of his career.  I have never met a tougher individual in my life.  When he comes back in the fall to finish his degree and walks that stage next May there will be tears in my eyes.  I don't really know what the expression "love you like a son" really feels like since I won't really know until it happens in the coming days but these three guys have given me some of the best practice a man could get on how to love like a father.

I hope the GSAC remains, if for no other reason than to keep the young men at LaGrange competing for something.  They deserve it.

Wow. That was moving. There is nothing like being a parent but I will tell you that I believe the blood, sweat and tears (& love) a coach has for certain players is very much the same. A player never forgets how a good coach made a difference in their lives. A good coach is very much like a parent.
I wish your seniors the best.

Congratulations on becoming a father!

[Spencer Beaty]

Good work Scots.  Lets just hope that we don't get screwed by the selection comittee.  I heard we were simply to get "other teams in the tournament."  At least that is the word on the street. 

[old_lion]

I agree with your high assessment of Watson. Very talented kid and a nice family. I visited with them briefly when you guys played at Piedmont. I just wish Murvul hadn't recruited in Ga and that he was playing for us.

Nice call on Watson, Spence.  He had a very good tournament! And if the officials never call the way he uses that off arm and that big body an offensive foul ... then he is unstoppable.

I was proud off my Lions Saturday. We played your obviously physically superior team tough.  We missed a 3 late that could have tied it ... and frankly, I was both proud and surprised that we made it that close.

Good luck to Scots in the NCAAs.

Posted by: Spencer Beaty  Posted on: February 29, 2008, 04:33:23 pm   

I don't think you need to try to destroy my credibility.  I don't have any credibility anyway. 

With Watson winning the MVP of the gsac tourney ... you're credibility is soaring!     


 

[MCforlife]

Old Lion, why 15 posts (count em!!) because your son did not make all league? We (Mville) cannot wait to join a real conference. With all due respect, there is not much competition for us here, and your squad, as tough and small and feisty as they were, still had half of their wins against non NCAA teams ( never even heard of most of them, but they did include every Bible or Christian school in the south). Baldwin was a stud, but that is it. Your son was decent, but all league? 15 posts?! Give it a rest!

[old_lion]

Old Lion, why 15 posts (count em!!) because your son did not make all league? We (Mville) cannot wait to join a real conference. With all due respect, there is not much competition for us here, and your squad, as tough and small and feisty as they were, still had half of their wins against non NCAA teams ( never even heard of most of them, but they did include every Bible or Christian school in the south). Baldwin was a stud, but that is it. Your son was decent, but all league? 15 posts?! Give it a rest!

Gee, mcfl ... thanks for that contribution to the ongoing dialogue ... that was ... special ...

It did however, bring to mind a line from one of my favorite movies, Blazing Saddles. Maybe you remember it ... it's where the school marm was reading her letter she had written to the Governer ... she started off ...
To the Honorable William J LaPetomane: You sir, are the biggest a$$hole in the state!

Not sure why ... read your post ... that line just popped in my head.      Thanks for reminding me of a funny line. 

I was also able to find another positive aspect to your post. It reminded me that if I'll just stay open minded and try hard enough ... I can find common ground with even the most negative and obnoxious among us ...

I agree ... the gsac is not much of a conference.

Have a nice day.

[scotswin]

OL,
While I often quietly disagree with your opinions, I have two comments:

1.  That is a good line for the sorry MC guy that posted above.

2.  Your GSAC conference call parody was very entertaining.

[Spencer Beaty]

Yeah MCforlife, you need to post with more class than mudslinging in order to occasionally sling a litte mud.

[scottiedoug]

Old_Lion:  Nobody authorized me to apologize for a fellow MC fan, but I do anyway.  I think it is ridiculous for the GSAC not to have five all conf. players and for Jake Green not to be one of them.  We all agree that the GSAC on the men's side in bb is not much of a league but that is no excuse for a newbie to act out and contribute to the correct impression that even scots fans occasionally can be short on class.