MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

[GSAC Killer]

There is no doubt Jake Green in my eyes is the purest of Point Guards in the GSAC and I enjoy watching him play but like anything there is always a BUT.He has dropped off his play from last year and his team in my opinion has underachieved this season for whatever the reasons..
  I agree with whoever stated the point on why I made All Conference 1st Team... Their were probably two or three guys who had better numbers than I did but they didn't have I guess you should say that "X"factor how to win games especially the BIG ONES.. . No matter what my team was going to WIN... I for one think that is a big determining factor in judging players...
Some of the guys being considered here are combo guards like Adams and Mason...
   Everyone here makes valid points on different things but one thing in my mind when determining my picks was the Win-Lost factor...
  A "PLAYER" by definition gets it done and gets their team there no matter the Coaching situation... So I will say my final  1st Team selectiomns will wait till the end of the week like my main man Grubby said..

[ohyeah]

old lion - the reason for the Jake Green part is he is a true point guard, like you stated earlier.  I actually love the way he plays....however, I personally measure a true point guards numbers by assist/to ratio b/c of the "not scoring" mentality.  I actually like the way Jake plays but I have also seen some teams turn the heat up a bit and he loses his "normal" control.  I would have no problem putting him on the all conference team, I just dont know who he would replace.  

I am a huge fan of point guards though, I actually thought Raul Placares should have gotten POY last year and not Sidney.  However, Sidney was all american and therefore though to make a statement of not being POY but AA.  

One other thing I thought about, if we were factoring in a lot of intangibles, Jeremy Holliday would need to be considered.  His role is guarding the other teams best post player and get rebounds.  He does that very well....however he needs a haircut.

[Spencer Beaty]

My picks....

1st team: Monte Calloway, Maryville
                Allen White, Huntingdon
                Courtney Ellis, Fisk
                Marquis Patton, Fisk
                "Bradley Blair, Maryville"

Are you kidding me ohyeah! Bradely blair a first team player.  I love MC as much as the next guy but come one, he played good 3 games tops out of year.  Well, maybe hard is a better word.  But to slouch 15 games and play the other couple doesnt make him a first teamer get him off the list and put bobby or anyone else on there

[Urban Myth]

ok, so i'm a little new to all of this, but based on everyone's picks and such, where do yall get the stats from?  are you looking at conference stats or overall stats?  and if you are just looking at conference stats, how did you find them?  all i seem to find is the overall stats on the team's webpages, except for fisk's that is.

[old_lion]

One other thing I thought about, if we were factoring in a lot of intangibles, Jeremy Holliday would need to be considered.  His role is guarding the other teams best post player and get rebounds.  He does that very well....however he needs a haircut.

I agree. I like Holliday a lot. He is certainly one of those under appreciated, intangibles guys.

Maybe they should pick a 3rd team or recognize honorable mentions or something ... that would make the selection process a little easier.

It s/b interesting.

[old_lion]

Their were probably two or three guys who had better numbers than I did but they didn't have I guess you should say that "X"factor how to win games especially the BIG ONES.. . No matter what my team was going to WIN... I for one think that is a big determining factor in judging players...
Some of the guys being considered here are combo guards like Adams and Mason...
   Everyone here makes valid points on different things but one thing in my mind when determining my picks was the Win-Lost factor...
  A "PLAYER" by definition gets it done and gets their team there no matter the Coaching situation...

Killer, there is nothing wrong with your Al Davis, "just win, baby" attitude. As a matter of fact, I like it.

You just have to realize, that's going to work out a whole lot better for you when you step into an established, winning program.

But it is not a realistic way of comparatively valuing different players in different situations. As Doug said, it is a team game.

[ohyeah]

My picks....

1st team: Monte Calloway, Maryville
                Allen White, Huntingdon
                Courtney Ellis, Fisk
                Marquis Patton, Fisk
                "Bradley Blair, Maryville"

Are you kidding me ohyeah! Bradely blair a first team player.  I love MC as much as the next guy but come one, he played good 3 games tops out of year.  Well, maybe hard is a better word.  But to slouch 15 games and play the other couple doesnt make him a first teamer get him off the list and put bobby or anyone else on there

Bradley Blair has been the 2nd best player for Maryville since conference play started.  Once Lambert allowed him to start due to injury, he hoisted MC on his back and carried them to victories (except to Fisk).  Teams could also guard him and him only if they wanted with Bobby and Monte out and Bo throwing the ball out of every door in the gym.  I firmly believe Bradley Blair is a 1st team all conference player.  Just compare the numbers and show me someone that has been better, especially from the post side of things.  Also, there are still two conference games on MC's schedule.  Bradley could turn into the old Bradley and you wont even know he is there unless the light hits his bald spot just right, or he can continue to play well and show he belongs.  I cant wait to see how him and Bobby will play together though.  Maybe a tough team to stop.  Maybe, but not as tough as Bart Crain and Matt Ennen from years past!

[Urban Myth]

Mr. Green doesnt even have a 2-1 assist to TO ratio. 

A little info for you on assists to turnover ratios, ohyeah. Good luck in coming up with ten guys if you are going to set 2.0 as the minimum requirement. I did a little research on a few of the guys under consideration... we don't even have very many "in the black", more assists than turnovers.

Maryville:
Bo Mason 1.5
Monte Calloway 1.4
Bobby Golden 0.5
Bradley Blair 0.2

I suspect Bo's and Monte's good #s are due, at least in part, to Maryville's finely tuned "system". Fisk, Piedmont and LaGrange, for example, seem to get out in transition a little more ... a style that inherently produces some easy buckets, but also a few more T/Os.

Huntingdon:
Justin Babian 0.7
Cole Hairston 0.6
Allen White 0.5

Piedmont:
Jake Green 1.3
Mike Adams 0.9
Brent Walker 0.8
Jake Baldwin 0.5

LaGrange:
Corie Jackson 0.5
Demetris Render 0.2

Fisk:
Who knows? Another of my original points ...

We must have some guys fumbling a few passes in the GSAC. I can't believe it's all bad passes.

Or maybe the baseball analogy of expecting your shortstop to lead the team in errors holds up here. To translate ... maybe the guys in the thick of things, with the ball in their hands, making it happen ... can reasonably be expected to commit a few turnovers, as well.

since no one answered my question i did some of my own research... with these numbers in mind, i wouldn't say they are all accurate.  some of them may be close, but i have heard about huntingdon's stat keeper, and looking at their stat sheets, it's odd that a team that runs a princeton offense would have that few assists, as well as the teams they have played against at home.

i also think that with some of the recent discussion about stats and then the intangibles, that you may be leaving a couple guys unmentioned, and i notice it's from the teams who are not well represented, such as huntingdon and lagrange.  now although lagrange may not be in contention, huntingdon still is.

[wilburt]

To throw another question in the mix.   Who should be the GSAC Freshman of the Year?

Fisk had two freshmen -  Goldie Hall (from Nashville,TN) and Jeremy Rawls (from Peoria, IL)- to see some time on a team dominated by upperclassmen.  But are they worthy of FOY honors?

[Urban Myth]

To throw another question in the mix.   Who should be the GSAC Freshman of the Year?

good question, there isn't really anyone that particularly stands out.  i think that if the anthony williams kid from huntingdon wasn't ineligible he would have been an easy nomination based on the amount of playing time he was seeing, but now that's irrelevant.

[mattgrubb]

You guys need to hold off on all the awards till next week, i have told you this, no coach likes players who don't listen and are not coachable.
As the Grubby One, a self proclaimed renaissance man of the GSAC, I will not discuss that topic till next week, but here is what i will discuss
Bradley Blair's bald spot, it is getting big, i think starting for the scots has increased his stress level, he needs to go ahead and call HRC and get his life, i mean hair back
Urban Myth stats are available on the teams websites or www.greatsouth.org

[wilburt]

No Grubb, I am THE true Renaissance man of the GSAC board! 
I will not lay down my claim to any Grubby imposter to the title  .

My claim: Former athlete, Poet and recent Nobel Peace Prize winner (self awarded of course) for negotiating the truce (or ending the feud - depending on what part of Tennesse you are from) between Maryville and Nashville... 

Fisk stats aren't on the Fisk website.  They are in a locked vault in Coach Glover's office in the gym.

[Urban Myth]

haha wilburt, and thank you grubb, but i assume everyone is making their predictions based on conference stats rather than overall, correct?  that is how it works right?  i will not make any predictions myself just yet, but where can i find the conference stats alone?

[mattgrubb]

Wilburt we will have to settle this in a duel
If i get a chance to make it to the tourney we will have a showdown at a Golden Corral and winner gets the title.
I am a little bigger than when i played at maryville, no kris sigmund but close

[wilburt]

Hey guys here are the FISK stats for the 6 GSAC games played by Fisk to date, for the 4 players mentioned for ALL-GSAC consideration.  I got them from the other GSAC school's websites for their FISK games! I hope my math is correct, cause that was not my major in college.

Chris Adams:  (2 to 1) Assist to turnover ratio - 28 assists & 14 turnovers.  Averaging 4.6 assists per GSAC game and 11.0 pts per GSAC game (66 total pts).

Marquis Patton: (2 to 1) Assist to turnover ratio - 19 assists & 9 turnovers.  Averaging 3.1 assists per GSAC game and 14.1 pts per GSAC game (85 total pts).

Jeremiah Williamson: (1 to 1) Assist to turnover ratio - 21 assists & 21 turnovers.  Averaging 3.05 assists per GSAC game and 16.1 pts per GSAC game (97 total pts).

Courtney Ellis: Averaging 7.6 rebounds per GSAC game (46 total rebounds) and 12.1 pts per GSAC game (73 total pts).

Grubb anytime and anywhere my friend...

Forgot to add:  Fisk is averaging 89.16 points per GSAC game offensively (hit the century mark twice so far against GSAC teams) and the defense is only giving up an average of 79.6 points per GSAC game!