MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

[old_lion]

A little more info on Huntingdon's schedule. I hate to call out my own school but that Wesley you see on the schedule isn't the Wesley you might think it is. Even though the link on the schedule goes to the one in Delaware, that was actually a Wesley College from Florence,Mississippi.

Thanks, Hawks88 ... I was fooled by the link on HCs schedule into thinking that was the 15-10 team from Delaware. Strange ...

I found the one in Mississippi ... looks like they are more of a Toccoa Falls/ Warren Wilson type of team.

http://www.wesleycollege.com/Student%20Life/Athletics.htm

[ohyeah]

Granted this may not be "educational" anymore, but this board has become a lot more fun to read lately.  Not to mention William hasnt been around and to see this action is great.  

Anyways, when do the teams leave and arrive in the metropolis that holds Huntingdon?  Are they going to hand out cushions for the games so people dont get splinters from sitting on the 1960 style bleachers?

[old_lion]

all of those losses you state were before christmas too, when the team actually started coming together and put on that 11 game win streak after losing to Fisk and Maryville.  and speaking of Maryville, I believe they lost to Sewanee, who Huntingdon beat, and they also lost to Oglethorpe at home, which was one of the losses you had marked for Huntingdon, at Oglethorpe in OT.  and Concordia was a tough team no matter their record.  much like fisk, very athletic, and they beat West Alabama, who beat Montevallo (22-3).

i don't quite understand Duckworth's scheduling at times, but why don't ask him personally about that, maybe he'll give you a good answer.  old-lion, you are extremely biased towards your team, as is everyone else to a degree.  but didn't they play pensacola christian and atlanta christian also? oh, they also lost to greensboro and beat ferrum at the beginning of the season.

maybe we should quit bashing other teams and focus upon our own.

Easy now, Urban ... I don't want to butt heads with you. Seems like just yesterday we were agreeing how reasonable we both were ...

I don't have a problem with Duckworth's scheduling ... it seems to have worked out pretty well for HC.

I just did a little research to answer Oh Yeah's question ... and posted my observations ... I didn't really see myself as "bashing HC" ... sorry you took it that way. Oh Yeah asked a fair question ... I answered it.  Would you not agree that PC played a tougher non-GSAC schedule than HC did?

which was one of the losses you had marked for Huntingdon, at Oglethorpe in OT ... I didn't really "mark" any specific games, I just listed HC's entire non-GSAC schedule and results.

old-lion, you are extremely biased towards your team, as is everyone else to a degree... I agree. I've pointed out the same thing myself. But just because we are biased, that doesn't mean we can't gather a few facts, express a few opinions, and put forth a reasoned position.

[old_lion]

Your question prompted me to do a little more research, and I was amazed at what I found. I'm not trying to bad mouth Huntingdon either, but look at the facts ... a total of only 6 teams with winning records on their entire schedule. Not only can Duckworth coach ... that son-of-a-gun can put together a schedule too!

And their 9 non-region games were even worse ...Dick Vitale would say, Cup-Cake City, baby.

Non-Region (8-1)
L 56 59  Manchester 9-16
W 82 79  Atlanta Christian 14-18
W 78 65  Atlanta Christian 14-18
W 64 54  Finlandia 4-15
W 73 68  Pensacola Christian
W 67 56  Pensacola Christian
W 70 55  Carver Bible
W 69 49  Wesley 15-10
W 98 95  Concordia 6-18


Again, I'm not trying to bad mouth HC. They appear to be good guys and they had a good season. I'm just answering your question ...

Per the correction from Hawks88, I guess I need to modify this. As it turns out, Wesley (Miss) is not the 15-10 team from Delaware. They are one of those "less serious" teams that doesn't even list their schedule and results on their website. The 69 -49 score makes more sense now. So I guess that's 5 teams with a winning record.

[coachwgh]

Where's Killa?  Where's William?  It is crunch time, tourney time, show time and our go to guys are MIA.  That's a let down from two proven winners. 

We will be flying by charter on Thursday morning to Montgomery via Notasulga, AL.  I hope we get our legs back from the flight before tip-off.  As long as we win it should be a lot of fun.  Tournaments are never any fun when you lose.  Either way, I am 100% sure that the Huntingdon staff will have this thing running perfectly.  That bunch has it together over there.  For all of those coming make sure you cheer for the Panthers once or twice.  Just cause we are small can't pass and don't defend very well doesn't make us bad people.  Good luck to all those involved.

[Urban Myth]

Old Lion,

Ok, we are getting back on the same page.  I did take your comment the wrong way, as if you were bashing Huntingdon's program.  I just jumped to the defense of the program I show my biased opinions for.  And I can agree that your guys played a tougher non-conference schedule, but once again, that's the head coach's decision, and as far as the A, B, C philosophy, it's completely true that anything can happen on any given night and that each team plays differently against other teams.  Take my junior pro career for example.  We had a 4-way tie for first 2 years ia a row because A beat B, B beat C, C beat D, and D beat A.  Happened every time, it was crazy.  Granted that was 5th and 6th grade, but oh well, you get my point.

The countdown has begun, two days til the first game... it's gonna be a "cat" fight, Panthers and Lions.  Good luck to both.

[Griffcoach22]

[tr]Per the correction from Hawks88, I guess I need to modify this. As it turns out, Wesley (Miss) is not the 15-10 team from Delaware. They are one of those "less serious" teams that doesn't even list their schedule and results on their website. The 69 -49 score makes more sense now. So I guess that's 5 teams with a winning record.
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In case you don't know, Wesley College is ranked #5 in the NCCAA in Division II.  That's not too shabby.  There are some dang good teams in the NCCAA.  Not that they are world beaters by any stretch of the imaginiation, but it is not exactly a cupcake game either. 

[Spencer Beaty]

CHANEY FOR LIFE

[Ralph Turner]

...In case you don't know, Wesley College is ranked #5 in the NCCAA in Division II.  That's not too shabby.  There are some dang good teams in the NCCAA.  Not that they are world beaters*** by any stretch of the imaginiation, but it is not exactly a cupcake game either. 

***They are not Mississippi College beaters either!

http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=48919

I am enjoying the pre-tourney discusion.  I am certain that Wilburt is lurking in the wings as well.

In fairness to Coach Duckworth, I retrieved my Rand-McNally to look at the candidates for non-conference games.

After critical analysis of the Huntingdon schedule, the only D3 opponents within a reasonable driving range that he did not play were Millsaps and Mississippi College, 4 hours to the West,  Rust (while he was in the Memphis area to play Rhodes) and Emory.  MissColl has its "Farm Bureau" tourney on opening weekend when I would love to see MissColl and LaCollege playing 2 other South Region teams instead of Wesley College Mississippi's or Carver Bible's.  Huntingdon was playing Ferrum and Greensboro on that weekend.  Otherwise there are no other good times for MissCollege or LaCollege to play a non-conference game.

Actually Concordia-Selma is the closest non-D2 or higher college to Huntingdon...a bus ride that is easy on the budget either way.

Their 16-game (South Region) schedule matched Piedmont's and was 3 more than Fisk.

Good luck to all and travel safely.

[scottiedoug]

This board lately resembles the USA South board and esp. the "observations" about everybody else from some posters from certain schools (not you, Narch).

Travel well!  I wish I could be there.

[Pat Coleman]

In case you don't know, Wesley College is ranked #5 in the NCCAA in Division II.  That's not too shabby.  There are some dang good teams in the NCCAA. 

Last year's NCCAA Division II champ was Southeastern College, from Florida. If you took their Massey rating and slotted it in with Division III schools (it's the same formula, so this is an apples-to-apples comparison), it would be #152, right behind Wilmington, which was 10-16.

[old_lion]

1) In case you don't know, Wesley College is ranked #5 in the NCCAA in Division II.  That's not too shabby.  2) There are some dang good teams in the NCCAA.  Not that they are world beaters by any stretch of the imaginiation, but it is not exactly a cupcake game either. 

1) Sorry Griff, once you put that extra "C" in there, anything you say after that is pretty much irrelevant.

2) Really ... it's certainly possible that you know something I don't. But if you can supply me some info on some "dang good teams in the NCCAA" I'd certainly be interested in perusing it. To date, I'm not aware of any.

You may want to peruse this ...
http://www.wesleycollege.com/Student%20Life/Athletics.htm
I learned that ...
they beat Toccoa Falls by 1,
they beat Warren Wilson (the worst college team I've ever seen, personally) by 15,
they lost to Mississippi College by 30,
and they lost to Millsaps by 23.

I also saw that, at one point they were 8-7 overall, and 7-0 in their region. Who the heck else is in that region? Let's ask Coach Haynes ... maybe they are in the SSBSG, the "somebody's sister's bible study group" region.

Now maybe that's not "too shabby", but it's certainly shabby enough.

Give it up, Griff. You came to a gun fight armed with a knife. Just walk away ...

[old_lion]

Last year's NCCAA Division II champ was Southeastern College, from Florida. If you took their Massey rating and slotted it in with Division III schools (it's the same formula, so this is an apples-to-apples comparison), it would be #152, right behind Wilmington, which was 10-16.

Massey rating? That's a new term to me ...

Where can I find more info on it. How is it computed? Is there a list somewhere of how various teams are rated?

Thanks.

[Ralph Turner]

Old lion, I was not able to find a Massey MOV, (margin of victory) which is the sophisticated BCS style computerized rankings that Pat mentioned, but if Wesley were in D3, they would be somewhere around 355 out of 400 schools.

LaGrange is around 250; Piedmont 154.

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=6

Enjoy!

[Urban Myth]

what does the number in parentheses mean under schedule?  is that like the rank of schedule difficulty or something?