MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

bballlover · February 08, 2010, 03:22:31 PM

Funny you should ask Scottiedoug.They tackled him.

scottiedoug · February 08, 2010, 03:44:05 PM

Road trips are like that. I figured something like that. If you'd hit all those free throws you made against the Scots....

batteredbard · February 08, 2010, 05:35:39 PM

Just a memorable note but the last time MC lost a conference game, it ended up losing two and the conference final and still made it in to Dance. Not that there wasn't a lot of controversy over Huntingdon being left out after beating MC twice that year.

And as I'm sure Ralph would remind me, the Pool B slots are fewer and father between these days. Not that they were ever huge but its a 33 percent reduction then to now.

After watching the team live and on webcast I have to think at times the problem is too many guys feeling they can make "The Play" that turns a bucket into a run. Everyone out there seems to have the ability to drop in a long 3 or the quick cut at the right moment. BUT sometimes it looks as if they are expecting another guy to do it this trip down and sometimes like they're frustrated and taking it on themselves and forcing something that's not there this time. Seeing a few of those moments when it does click, they tend to come when they aren't trying to force anything and just executing on defense and running the ball inside then opening up everything else from there.

I'll leave that to the brain trust to discuss how you tweak something like that. Maybe there's more behind the scenes thats affecting it, but staggering into the conference tourney isn't a good look, don't believe, reread that first graph.

and a BTW as I've explained a few times this season, but have been negligent to note here: The Daily Times web site is now offering only snippets from game stories with the full versions available on a pay per view/subscription web site. Full columns however are still on the free site. I understand it has per story, per day and per whatever rates on the pay site but its a searchable database and pdf download of the paper, not a true news site. <sigh>

Ralph Turner · February 09, 2010, 01:16:57 AM

Yes. Bard, I thought that Huntingdon deserved a Pool B that year, but they did not listen to me.

Piedmont may have lost a chance to hang a pennant from the rafters with the Huntingdon loss!

(I hope that Huntingdon has a banner up there from that GSAC tourney win.)

wilburt · February 09, 2010, 07:32:54 AM

Bard and Ralph

What are the chances of MC playing Guilford on the road during the 1st round of the NCAA tourney?

Ron Domino · February 09, 2010, 09:24:32 AM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2010, 01:16:57 AM
Yes. Bard, I thought that Huntingdon deserved a Pool B that year, but they did not listen to me.

Piedmont may have lost a chance to hang a pennant from the rafters with the Huntingdon loss!

(I hope that Huntingdon has a banner up there from that GSAC tourney win.)

I think Fisk is the only one who hung a banner for their tournament win. The Scots would have run out of rafters and walls by now.

scottiedoug · February 09, 2010, 11:11:25 AM

Wilburt: You did not ask me, but I cannot imagine Guilford won't host or that Maryville will and some sick mind might think it would be fun to let the Scots try again....

A neutral site would be nice....

Then again the Scots have a few things to take care of before any of this could play out.

If they play as well as they did in the first half last night against Milligan, they can play with anybody in D3.

wilburt · February 09, 2010, 12:48:10 PM

Quote from: scottiedoug on February 09, 2010, 11:11:25 AM
Wilburt: You did not ask me, but I cannot imagine Guilford won't host or that Maryville will and some sick mind might think it would be fun to let the Scots try again....

I think some sick mind in the NCAA will try to set up that 1st round NCAA tourney matchup - MC @ Guilford.

Quote from: Ron Domino on February 09, 2010, 09:24:32 AM
I think Fisk is the only one who hung a banner for their tournament win. The Scots would have run out of rafters and walls by now.

The only school I have ever heard of legitimately run out of space for championship banners is UCLA. They have banners for their 11 NCAA basketball championships but it is said that they have no room for the many (over 40) conference basketball championships they have won over the years to place in the rafters/walls.

mattgrubb · February 09, 2010, 01:37:12 PM

I am afraid to say, i agree with Wilburt

mattgrubb · February 10, 2010, 07:19:25 PM

i saw the updated regional rankings and if things were to stay the same, what do you wanna bet murvul plays an odac team if they get in....
and if the tourney were today, guess where the scots would be going...

Grubby for Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ralph Turner · February 10, 2010, 07:57:00 PM

Quote from: mattgrubb on February 10, 2010, 07:19:25 PM
i saw the updated regional rankings and if things were to stay the same, what do you wanna bet murvul plays an odac team if they get in....
and if the tourney were today, guess where the scots would be going...

Grubby for Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, probably as the #3 seed in the bracket with the USAC Pool A going in as the #4 seed to play the host team.

wilburt · February 11, 2010, 08:09:58 AM

South Region Rankings - In-Region Record Overall Record

1. Guilford 19-1 19-1 (ODAC)
2. Virginia Wesleyan 16-2 18-2 (ODAC)
3. Texas-Dallas 16-3 17-4 (ASC)
4. Eastern Mennonite 12-2 16-3 (ODAC)
5. Austin 16-5 16-5 (SCAC)
6. Mary Hardin-Baylor 15-5 15-6 (ASC)
7. Randolph-Macon 10-4 16-4 (ODAC)
8. Maryville (Tenn.) 12-3 17-4 (GSAC)

Interesting! As of now, an argument could be made this year that Maryville's Pool B bid (assuming they will get one - which they always do) may take away a Pool C bid from a deserving ODAC school. I could see the pundits saying that Maryville would be just an average ODAC team (5th or 6th place) if they played in the ODAC rather than the GSAC. The current Southern rankings support that argument. Any thoughts?

Pat Coleman · February 11, 2010, 10:31:09 AM

No, Wilburt, it can't. The D-III playoff process doesn't work that way.

The only way Maryville takes a Pool C bid away from anyone (and it could be anyone in the nation, not limited to the South Region) is if three teams get Pool B bids before Maryville and Maryville still gets into the tournament anyway.

In the 11 years of the Pools system, no Pool B team has ever taken a bid from Pool C.

mattgrubb · February 11, 2010, 11:01:57 AM

True True Pat
but i think i see where wilburt was going with that and i understand and somewhat agree with his argument that there maybe a team from the ODAC that is left at home that is better than maryville this year. That does not happen often but is a possibility this year.

And right now it looks like Randy mac would be left at home unless they get the auto bid. Guilford is a pool c, emu is a pool c, and i bet VWC would be a pool c depending on who wins the ODAC tourney. Also, they will probably knock themselves out by who loses in the semis of the conference tourney. man, i love it when the odac is this strong. I hope one of them wins the whole dang thing this year.

wilburt · February 11, 2010, 12:25:04 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2010, 10:31:09 AM
No, Wilburt, it can't. The D-III playoff process doesn't work that way.

The only way Maryville takes a Pool C bid away from anyone (and it could be anyone in the nation, not limited to the South Region) is if three teams get Pool B bids before Maryville and Maryville still gets into the tournament anyway.

In the 11 years of the Pools system, no Pool B team has ever taken a bid from Pool C.

I understand that Pat, Maryville is not likely to get a Pool C bid this year because of the quality of teams eligible for Pool C bids. My point was more for purposes of discussion which Grubb got exactly! There may be a team from the ODAC left home that is better than Maryville this season (if Maryville gets a Pool B bid). It is not often that you get 3 out of the top 4 teams in the South Region from the same conference! I just wanted to know how folks felt about it? Is it right? Is it fair?