MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

mattgrubb · February 11, 2010, 02:52:35 PM

well, life ain't fair and the tourney ain't perfect.
i agree with the point that the best teams should be in the tourney, but also believe that if a team in a conference with an AQ has an advantage. It is simple for them,by the rules, just win your tourney.
Pool B has always been a debated pool, but since D3 is so large, these teams have to be represented.
I would compare it to a highly ranked team getting upset in their conference tourney by a team with a much worse record and then not getting a pool c bid. Murvul may or may not be better than an ODAC team that gets left home. but, the ODAC team has an automatic chance to make it and murvul does not. At this point, fortunately, all the teams have a chance to earn their spot on the court.

2010: Keep the Streak Alive...Go Scots

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scottiedoug · February 11, 2010, 04:33:09 PM

I agree that it will be unfortunate that some good Southern teams in an AQ conference do not get in, but as Grubby says they all have the chance to get in by winning their AQ league tournament. Pool B teams need a chance to play their way in also. I would rather the Scots be in an AQ league than in the B pool but that is not the case now. If the recession lasts long enough, maybe the D3 hoops South will reconfigure itself to make this an unnecessary conversation.

batteredbard · February 11, 2010, 06:12:42 PM

And maybe Lambert will quit coaching basketball to start the women's lacrosse team at MC.

The southern region is desperately in need of a conference alignment wake up call.

I mean a southern conference (SCAC) that has members not even close to the south region (Colorado College). Only in the world where Texas is a member of the Big 10 does that make any sense ... <listening to radio> ... sigh, never mind

Pat Coleman · February 11, 2010, 08:49:20 PM

Well, we could remove the ODAC and USAC from the South Region if you like. But then it would be pretty darn small.

Ralph Turner · February 11, 2010, 10:03:01 PM

Quote from: wilburt on February 11, 2010, 12:25:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2010, 10:31:09 AM
No, Wilburt, it can't. The D-III playoff process doesn't work that way.

The only way Maryville takes a Pool C bid away from anyone (and it could be anyone in the nation, not limited to the South Region) is if three teams get Pool B bids before Maryville and Maryville still gets into the tournament anyway.

In the 11 years of the Pools system, no Pool B team has ever taken a bid from Pool C.

I understand that Pat, Maryville is not likely to get a Pool C bid this year because of the quality of teams eligible for Pool C bids. My point was more for purposes of discussion which Grubb got exactly! There may be a team from the ODAC left home that is better than Maryville this season (if Maryville gets a Pool B bid). It is not often that you get 3 out of the top 4 teams in the South Region from the same conference! I just wanted to know how folks felt about it?

Is it right?

Is it fair?

IMHO, it is right and fair.

Pool B is like one big conference.

The number of bids that Pool B is awarded is determined by the access ratio. The access ratio is the number of schools that are in Pool A conferences, divided by the number of Pool A conferences. Any portion of the decimal is truncated down to the nearest whole integer. As the weaker independent teams have formed Pool A conferences, e.g., the NEAC, the North Atlantic, the merger of the Northern Illinois Iowa Conference and the Lake Michigan Conference into the Northern Athletics Conference, and UMAC and New England Collegiate Conference in 2010-11, the quality of Pool B has gotten better.

I counted three conferences that have no representative in the regional rankings, so at least there are 2 Pool B representatives in the Regional Rankings.

mattgrubb · February 12, 2010, 08:48:17 AM

Pat,
you would take the ODAC and the USAC out of the south???
Are they not located around the capital of the south??? Richmond, the capital of the southern states.

Also, remember the saying the south shall rise again? Look at the ODAC this year, they have risen.

Ron Domino · February 12, 2010, 11:57:03 AM

Was trying to check in on the old members of the GSAC and was looking for some help on Fisk. I was able to find info on Stillman but Fisk is a mystery.

It even appears they no longer play Tennessee State. Can anyone help with a record or anything?

wilburt · February 12, 2010, 01:39:40 PM

Quote from: Ron Domino on February 12, 2010, 11:57:03 AM
Was trying to check in on the old members of the GSAC and was looking for some help on Fisk. I was able to find info on Stillman but Fisk is a mystery.

It even appears they no longer play Tennessee State. Can anyone help with a record or anything?

Nope

scottiedoug · February 12, 2010, 04:14:40 PM

Wilburt: Has the world turned upside down? You always know what Fisk athletes are up to....

RustCollege · February 13, 2010, 12:25:38 AM

Speakin of fisk how about letting Rust in the Conference

Pat Coleman · February 13, 2010, 01:42:44 AM

Quote from: mattgrubb on February 12, 2010, 08:48:17 AM
Pat,
you would take the ODAC and the USAC out of the south???
Are they not located around the capital of the south??? Richmond, the capital of the southern states.

Also, remember the saying the south shall rise again? Look at the ODAC this year, they have risen.

That was a hypothetical.

Pat Coleman · February 13, 2010, 01:47:10 AM

Quote from: wilburt on February 12, 2010, 01:39:40 PM
Quote from: Ron Domino on February 12, 2010, 11:57:03 AM
Was trying to check in on the old members of the GSAC and was looking for some help on Fisk. I was able to find info on Stillman but Fisk is a mystery.

It even appears they no longer play Tennessee State. Can anyone help with a record or anything?

Nope

Fisk is a thrilling 0-16, according to the NAIA site.

http://www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/TeamSchedule.aspx?association=10&sg=MBB&conference=NAIMBB2_IND&division=NAIMBB2&team=14966

But it's really 0-17. The no-report game against Rust is a 104-79 Rust win, according to D3hoops.com:

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/RUST/m/2010

That's probably why Wilburt ain't talking.

wilburt · February 13, 2010, 01:52:32 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2010, 01:47:10 AM
That's probably why Wilburt ain't talking.

F---king Brilliant Pat Coleman

You deserve a Guinness Beer for that comment!

Forget about it RustCollege they will NEVER let you in the GSAC!

wilburt · February 13, 2010, 02:18:35 PM

Here's the Guiness Beer for Pat Coleman

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/dfhgqxrmcw--Guinness-BrilliantGuinness-beer-

Cheers Pat!

Just a few years ago you complained about getting Fisk scores. You don't seem to have any problem with that now!

Ralph Turner · February 13, 2010, 03:08:40 PM

Quote from: wilburt on February 13, 2010, 02:18:35 PM
Here's the Guiness Beer for Pat Coleman

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/dfhgqxrmcw--Guinness-BrilliantGuinness-beer-

Cheers Pat!

Just a few years ago you complained about getting Fisk scores. You don't seem to have any problem with that now!

Is there are different reporting requirements in the NAIA versus D3?

Is there a change in the mechanism for reporting from Fisk?

Is there a new SID at Fisk?

Lots of variables in that question.