MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

[wilburt]

Lots of variables in that question.  

It was meant to be sarcastic Ralph 

Now there are a lot of unspoken variables in RustCollege's question, that no one seems to want to address head on. 

[colincondi]

Are you referring to the racist Randy Lambert?  Or the racist GSAC in general?  Because you flat out said Randy Lambert was a racist with nothing to back your claim up with. 

1)  If an Irishman is invited into a club, but after a few years of not adhering to his end of the bargain in terms of being a member of the club, the Irishman  quits the club or is encouraged to leave the club by the very person or persons that invited him in the first place, does that make that person or persons that invited them racist against Irish people? 

2)  If, hypothetically, Randy Lambert were black, would you have called him a racist?  Or did you call him a racist because he is white, which would, actually, be judging him based upon the color of his skin?

3)  Isn't Spelman still in the GSAC?

Things are not always black and white...

[Ralph Turner]

Lots of variables in that question.  

It was meant to be sarcastic Ralph  

Now there are a lot of unspoken variables in RustCollege's question, that no one seems to want to address head on.  

A big question is travel.

Unfortunately, Rust has no travel partner (some team that is less than 100 miles away.)  Here are the distances from
Rust to:

Huntingdon 283 miles
LaGrange   344 miles
Piedmont   420 milles
Maryville    431 miles.

This group of schools did not want UDallas and Thomas More, when they were looking at a place to join (to provide the GSAC men with the AQ.)

I wonder if Rust would be more "valuable" as a conference member, if there were a travel partner nearly (say a Crichton in Memphis) and Rust had football.

[Pat Coleman]

I think Rust needs to work on its athletic department infrastructure a little bit more in order to make itself attractive to a conference.

When you can't even get a roster of a team, let alone stats or video for scouting, it's not exactly an even partnership.

[mattgrubb]

no one addressed the fact that Randy Lambert would throw his native american player out of practice about once a month.

We have established that Randy kicked fisk out b/c he is a racist.  It had nothing to do with their lack of facilities, budget, or athletic department organization.  their baseball field did not have a fence.

LET IT GO!!!

I think coach stennis does an admirable job at rust.  I am not sure I have ever seen a coach more committed to their program than Coach Stennis.  he keeps his team competitive with humble means.  I wish Rust was a viable option, but they have those same questions.  Facilities, budget, and organization.

Although, it is possible to win a national title at Rust.  check the record books.  (hint women's)

[RustCollege]

no one addressed the fact that Randy Lambert would throw his native american player out of practice about once a month.

We have established that Randy kicked fisk out b/c he is a racist.  It had nothing to do with their lack of facilities, budget, or athletic department organization.  their baseball field did not have a fence.

LET IT GO!!!

I think coach stennis does an admirable job at rust.  I am not sure I have ever seen a coach more committed to their program than Coach Stennis.  he keeps his team competitive with humble means.  I wish Rust was a viable option, but they have those same questions.  Facilities, budget, and organization.

Although, it is possible to win a national title at Rust.  check the record books.  (hint women's)

Yea but let them in  for basketball ,volleyeball, and baseball or just basketball an see how dat go

[RustCollege]

I think Rust needs to work on its athletic department infrastructure a little bit more in order to make itself attractive to a conference.

When you can't even get a roster of a team, let alone stats or video for scouting, it's not exactly an even partnership.

you can get video because dey tape all home games live an be on da radio live just call in for a tape if you want to see.... rust do hav a mass com dept

[Pat Coleman]

I know one coach that played Rust's women's team did not find it quite so easy to get anything, even a roster. I'm not sure anyone wants that kind of athletic department in their conference.

[scottiedoug]

Here is link to a nice article about MC's Greg Hernandez:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3360

He is putting up numbers that should get him serious consideration for national honors.  It is a great D3 story of wanting to be good enough to actually work hard at it.

[old_lion]

Here is link to a nice article about MC's Greg Hernandez:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=3360

He is putting up numbers that should get him serious consideration for national honors.  It is a great D3 story of wanting to be good enough to actually work hard at it.

Hernandez is a great story ... his success is impressive in it's own right.  But how he has worked to get there is even more impressive. 

Maybe it's just because I'm an old f--t, I mean Lion.  But, it seems to me that way too many people are focused primarily on short term gratification and are unwilling to pay the price to reach longer term goals.  Nice job, Greg.

IMHO, Hernandez is the clear favorite for gsac POY.

[scottiedoug]

Obviously I agree with you, old_lion.

I can think of a few other Scots whom I wish would follow Greg's lead.  D3 schools do not often get kids with the size, speed, and skills of their more famous D1 brothers and sisters, but there is no "natural effort deficiency" for D3 athletes. 

[old_lion]

I can think of a few other Scots whom I wish would follow Greg's lead. 

I can think of more than a few people whom I wish would follow that example.

[old_lion]

OK ... I know you have all been eagerly awaiting my opinion on what the all-gsac team should be.  (Not to be confused with what I think it will be.)  First given ... we pick by position ... because any other approach would be sort of silly.

So here goes ...

First team:
The first 4 are easy ... PG - Coppage (his 1.87 Points Per Shot tops even Hernandez ... hard to believe this guy once played behind Bo (volume shooter) Mason), Wings - Watson and Cromwell, and at one Big - Hernandez(the POY).  Picking the second Big is a tough call.  IMHO, it a toss up between Whitfield and Herebia.

Second Team:
Bigs - Williams (gotta love his shot blocking)  and Whitfield or Herebia, Wings - Rubio and Sprouse.  The 2nd team PG is a really tough call.  I think it is almost a dead heat between Laverdiere, Damron, and Chatman.  They are all good and they all have different style games.  But, I'm going with Laverdiere because you gotta love that 3 to 1 assist to TO ratio ... and he has been under rated for 4 years now.

On The Bubble: (Any one of them could easily crack the top 10.)
PG - Damron or Chatman, Wings - Lambert and Hudson, Bigs - Vaughn (just a freshman - s/b one of the top inside guys in the gsac next year.)

And a special shout out to Tracy Gardner. He is not the type of guy that is going to make an all-gsac team ... but he is a winner.  If I'm not mistaken, he is the guy that made 2 FTs to send the Murvul game into OT.  He is a solid synergy guy (PC's leading rebounder and a top defender) who does all the little things that help you win.  PC is 2 and 2 (0 and 2 in the gsac) since they lost him.

[old_lion]

The numbers behind my selections ...

Preliminary all-gsac teams
     Player        FG Pct 3 Pct FT Pct     rpg ppg    PPS  apg tpg   spg bpg

First team:
Point Coppage   44.6% 53.3% 87.6%   1.8 10.0   1.87   3.2 2.7   1.1 0.0
Wings Watson   40.9% 35.1% 82.3%   4.0 16.6   1.29   2.5 2.4   2.2 0.4
        Cromwell 43.8% 38.6% 75.0%   4.9 13.6   1.03   1.0 2.0   0.2 1.4
Bigs Hernandez   60.3% 0.0% 80.0%   9.6 19.9   1.58   1.7 2.8   1.1 1.0
tie - Whitfield     51.8% 0.0% 66.2%   8.0 16.2   1.38   1.8 2.7   0.9 0.8
tie - Herebia      55.7% 52.9% 77.1%  5.6 14.2   1.38   0.7 1.1   1.1 0.3

Second team:
Point Laverdiere 48.9% 46.7% 77.3%   1.6  3.2  1.49    3.0 1.0   1.3 0.1
Wings Sprouse   47.3% 27.5% 69.9%   5.2 13.6   1.29   2.5 4.2   2.0 0.4
              Rubio 40.8% 40.6% 79.7%  2.3 13.7   1.53   1.7 1.6   1.3 0.2
Bigs       Williams 49.7% 11.1% 57.9%  5.3  9.3   1.30   0.7 2.0   0.9 2.6

On the bubble:
Point tie - Damron  41.5% 36.1% 86.1%  1.8  8.4   1.30    4.1 1.7   1.3 0.0
      tie - Chatman 48.3% 37.9% 66.7%  3.6 10.0   1.27   1.7 1.6   1.7 0.7
Wings      Lambert  43.1% 39.6% 59.3%  2.6 10.4   1.21   2.8 1.2   1.6 0.0
               Hudson 34.2% 30.3% 80.0%  3.2 11.0   0.98   0.9 1.4   1.2 0.2
Bigs          Vaughn  42.1% 15.4% 72.4%  7.3  8.0   1.20   1.3 1.8   0.8 0.5
               Gardner  44.0% 27.3% 58.8%  6.2  4.8   1.23   1.4 0.9   0.8 0.6

[bballlover]

When Covenant joins the GSAC does the All-GSAC team expand to 10?