MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

[old_lion]

O.K. OldLion I am going to appologize for this before I even begin, but enough is enough.  Leave my stat and clock and anybody else associated with LaGrange alone and Kiss It.  I ignored the first post you made about our clock person  

No apology necessary, I would expect you to defend your people publicly ... but privately, I sincerely hope you are taking steps to improve the situation, because your people are incompetent ... and the Huntingdon stat guy is just as bad. In the words of Dr King, "The truth will set you free." And LC and HC should both "set free" those incompetents at their tables ... so they can go pursue  more appropriate careers in the fast food or hospitality industries.

and that you saw better at rec league games and now you want to throw our stat guy in the mud over being upset at playing bad on the road in conference. 

Sorry, but those facts aren't related. (1) We shot poorly and (2) you and Huntingdon have incompetent people. Both facts are extremely irritating ... but, they are not related. Interesting enough, I heard about how bad Huntingdon's stat guy was BEFORE the game, from a Huntingdon friend of mine. He wasn't lying!

In case you didn't notice Huntingdon is pretty good, especially at home and especially defensively at home.  I saw Piedmont miss some open jump shots(that they hit at LaGrange) but most shots were contested by Huntingdon's huge or at least long armed line up. 

Good point. I'm not taking anything away from HC's defensive effort. They do play pretty good defense ... like the rest of the GSAC. Fact is, our shots just weren't falling. It happens sometimes. Kudos to HC ... they got one in the W column, even if it was ugly.

Good Luck with Fisk. 

Thanks, we are going to need it. Has anyone heard from Chris Adams? Is he OK?

[coachwgh]

Oh yeah, the guy I think you refer to just got a job teaching in the oak ridge school system and was a good player for us especially in his last game at Maryville in the conference tournament. 

I don't feel our people are incompetent.  The only clock problem I was aware of in the Piedmont game was that is was supposed to be 5.4 seconds and it was on 5.0.  Not even Brent Watts could get a shot off in .4 seconds.  Our stats are just fine with me except we don't win enough games which I am quite sure has nothing to do with the people keeping stats. 

[mattgrubb]

let's leave stat guys alone and start worrying about players stats and ask piedmont about Jeff McCord getting a 75 foot shot off in about .4 seconds
Bo mason's stats were not hot last night, they better pick up, granted he is a sophomore as some sissy's would say, but he is a starter and a go to guy, so if you are going to get the glory you have to be able to take the heat, consistency is what counts, and he will be back and i bet with a bang.  make it hot
and Brent Watts could probably get off two or three shots in .4 seconds

[Ralph Turner]

...and Brent Watts could probably get off two or three shots in .4 seconds...

It looks like we need to re-convene the Warren Commission to confirm that theory. 


Or, we could just develop a cottage industry maintaining that it was a Coach Lambert conspiracy! 

[Griffcoach22]

OLD LION - the problem with Piedmont is you guys think that you don't have any problems in Demorest.  For the record, at least the other coaches in the GSAC know how to press the 'record' button on the vcr when - by GSAC policy - coaches must send out game film to other schools if requested.  Piedmont sent out a film to another GSAC member school and the tape was BLANK, but of couse everything in Piedmont is perfect.  It sounds to me like you were trying to hide something.  Pretty unethical if you ask me.  Send a real game film and get scouted so hard you know you can't win, OR send a blank one and give yourself a chance.  Also, if you take a peek at the current NCAA D3 national stats you will notice that Huntingdon... is 2nd in D3 in FG% Defense.  They are holding their opponents to 35.5 % fg % on average.  Of course last night Piedmont only shot 26.6%, and it was due to poor shooting.  Get with the program Old Lion and give some credit the Hawks because they locked you down.  Had the Hawks not missed 16 FT's it would have been a 'blowout.  Do yourself a favor and stop knocking the stat people at other schools and try to get your staff to take care of their own business "in-house" before trying to throw darts at other programs.

[old_lion]

Get with the program Old Lion and give some credit the Hawks because they locked you down.  Had the Hawks not missed 16 FT's it would have been a 'blowout. 

Yes, HC's defense certainly was a factor. Please try to pay attention. As I already said ...

"Good point. I'm not taking anything away from HC's defensive effort. They do play pretty good defense ... like the rest of the GSAC. Fact is, our shots just weren't falling. It happens sometimes. Kudos to HC ... they got one in the W column, even if it was ugly."

HC did miss a lot of FTs and I'm pretty sure our defense wasn't a factor. Hmmm ... could it be that sometimes you just have an off night? Maybe that was one of those games that neither team deserved to win ... but HC got the ugly win ... I'd have taken it ... that's a heck of a lot better than an ugly loss.

These facts remain ...

1) We had our worst shooting night of the season. Sometimes you just have an off night. HC's defense unquestionably was a factor.

2) Some stat people appear to feel they are doing their job if they can maintain enough concentration to get the points to add up ... all that other stuff (rebounds, assists, steals, etc) is just something they give a half-a$$ed effort to. For the record, we do have a very good stat guy at Piedmont.

Griffcoach, regarding blank tapes ... don't know anything about that. I can't help wondering about your knowledge of the situation. I can't find "Griff" on the list of GSAC schools.

[mattgrubb]

ralph
there are so many Coach Lambert conspiracies, we would need about 10 warren commissions to sort these things out
Let's get off stat guys and talk about players
Monte Calloway has to be in the front running for conference player of the year, the senior for the scots has really stepped up this year, and i mean big, if the scots finish out the conference schedule the way they should he should be the hands down favorite in my opinion, whenever i read the game summaries, he is always making plays at the end of the game
Any of you other gsac fans have any arguments for your players?

[Griffcoach22]

2) Some stat people appear to feel they are doing their job if they can maintain enough concentration to get the points to add up ... all that other stuff (rebounds, assists, steals, etc) is just something they give a half-a$$ed effort to. For the record, we do have a very good stat guy at Piedmont.

Griffcoach, regarding blank tapes ... don't know anything about that. I can't help wondering about your knowledge of the situation. I can't find "Griff" on the list of GSAC schools.

Regarding blank tapes, why don't you find out the real information if you are so close to the Piedmont program.  With the comments that you make on here, you should know these things.  It is just an unethical situation.  Find out about it!  As for not being able to find "Griff" on the list of GSAC schools, well, that is about the most profound thing that I have ever read on a message board.  It took a lot of thought for you to come up with that one I suppose! 

Are you implying that the stat people at Huntingdon give a half-a$$ed effort regarding stats other than scoring?  If so, you need to get a life.  Your loss to Huntingdon had nothing to do with the stat people.  Your "worst shooting night of the season" had nothing to do with anything except Huntingdon locking you down and not giving you good looks.  Defense can cause bad shooting nights!

[old_lion]

Regarding blank tapes, why don't you find out the real information if you are so close to the Piedmont program.  With the comments that you make on here, you should know these things.  It is just an unethical situation.  Find out about it! 

Yawn ... sorry, Griff ... I'm just not very interested ...

Are you implying that the stat people at Huntingdon give a half-a$$ed effort regarding stats other than scoring? 

You are sharp Griff ... I can't slide anything by you. I'm not "implying" anything. I stated very clearly that both HC and LC had incompetent stat people whose talents would be better suited to the fast food or hospitality industries. As in "Would you like fries with that?"

Your loss to Huntingdon had nothing to do with the stat people. 

Of course it didn't. Please read more carefully, this is frustrating. It has been stated very clearly that there are two separate issues being discussed ... (1) Poor shooting (2) Incompetent stat people. Obviously, they aren't related.

Your "worst shooting night of the season" had nothing to do with anything except Huntingdon locking you down and not giving you good looks.  Defense can cause bad shooting nights!

Jeez Griff, I'm sorry ... I'm going to have to move on here. I find your inability to follow a logical train of thought too frustrating ... Yes, of course defense is a major factor in causing bad shooting nights. But since you seem to be implying that is the only possible factor, please explain to me why HC went 16 for 32 from the FT line.

[Griffcoach22]

Jeez Griff, I'm sorry ... I'm going to have to move on here. I find your inability to follow a logical train of thought too frustrating ... Yes, of course defense is a major factor in causing bad shooting nights. But since you seem to be implying that is the only possible factor, please explain to me why HC went 16 for 32 from the FT line.

Oh mighty Lion, I am just fine with logic.  It is easy for me to see that you lose a game and the best thing you can find to downgrade, instead of your inability to get good shots against a good defense, is to blame the stat people.  Do you sit in the stands with a stat book to make sure the stat guys from HC and LC are doing their jobs to your satisfaction? 
Also, logic will tell you that if HC went 16 of 32 from the FT line (are you sure HC stat people got that stat right?  How do you know it to be fact?  You say they are such bad stat keepers) It sure wasn't because of your defense that they missed 16 FT's.  It was because of your poor defense that put HC on the line 32 times.  Maybe they wanted to give you a little hope.   Who knows, you have the answer for everything.  You tell me since I can understand "logic".

[ohyeah]

I love this "tense" conversation, lets see if we can get someone else going.  Maryville and Fisk suck.

[mattgrubb]

let's go with top 5 disappointments in the gsac
1. Huntingdon
2. Piedmont
3. Lagrange
4. 2003 GSAC tourney
5. Wilburt not logging on to this board
6.  I guess the stat guys at GSAC schools are a big disappointment?

These are the disappointments that i see, other than most past gsac players that never lived up to their potential and most of those guys did not play for maryville, so here is a list of standout underachievers
1.  Keith Kersey-piedmont, talent, 1 year only, could have been a 3 time POY
2. Huckle-Lagrange, just could not overcome the height issue
3.  Every big man huntingdon has ever had
4. Dotson-Fisk, he chose a little different route than the average 4 year career, but still the best player to ever suit up in a gsac game.
5. Chris Bunch, former maryville assistant, Now head coach at Webster, who leaves the GSAC for the SLIAC, that is a step down

[old_lion]

You win, Griff. You wore me down ... I just don't have the ability to communicate with you ...

Have a nice life.

[old_lion]

Great idea, ohyeah ... that's more than enough of that "intellectual" discussion. Let's move on ...

Matt, I beg to differ re Piedmont being on your disappointing list. We seem to have exceeded the expectations of anyone who has bothered to express them on this forum, have we not?

With essentially the same team as last year, (lost one wing, added one wing) we have definitely improved.

Consider ... depth, defense, rebounding and record are all better than last year.
Rebounding ... last year we were -7 per game, this year ... +1.
Defense ... we are giving up 6 less per game than last year.
Record  ... we are one away from last year's win total, with quality wins over Oglethorpe, @ Averett, @ Methodist, and @ LaGrange. I don't care what LaGrange's record is, winning there is a quality win. My best guess is that we should win at least 5 or 6 more.

Now admittedly, I'm a little disappointed to be 9 and 6, but that's only because I'm a blind optimist who thinks we have a good shot at winning every game. But I don't see how you can put us on your disappointing list ... you have to admit, we are making progress?

[narch]

5. Wilburt not logging on to this board

as a frequent lurker and infrequent poster on this board, this HAS TO BE the #1 most disappointing thing about the gsac this year...hands down