MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

[Griffcoach22]

The Fisk/Rust game will be played tomorrow night.   The game was iced out on Saturday night.  Fisk and Rust both have very piss poor websites.  You can't find anything about their team other than a schedule. 

[GSAC Killer]

I agree Spencer Beaty aka " The left-handed assasin!!"... Its all about the team game....
It will be Da Ville vs Da Ville... Knoxville vs Nashville in the Finals...

Good luck to all...

Hey Oh Yea did you still play basketball??

[Pat Coleman]

The Fisk/Rust game will be played tomorrow night.   The game was iced out on Saturday night.  Fisk and Rust both have very piss poor websites.  You can't find anything about their team other than a schedule. 

And Rust's isn't even this year's schedule.

[old_lion]

old lion, the stat that sticks out to me regarding piedmont is their record.  If those guys are so good and cannot be replaced, then why dont they win more games?  Im not trying to bad mouth Piedmont, but why should 2 or more players from a bottom team in a 5 team conference make it.  Their numbers have to be excellent to justify it.  10 pts and 8 rebounds isnt going to do it.

I'll give you one reason PC didn't win more games ... we didn't play a schedule like Huntingdon's.

Your question prompted me to do a little more research, and I was amazed at what I found. I'm not trying to bad mouth Huntingdon either, but look at the facts ... a total of only 6 teams with winning records on their entire schedule. Not only can Duckworth coach ... that son-of-a-gun can put together a schedule too!

I have to tip my hat to HC for rising to the occasion to go 6-2 in the GSAC, because they had very few challenges other than their GSAC schedule. Also, Lady Luck did smile on them a bit in the GSAC ... getting to play MC without Calloway, and Fisk without Adams was most fortuitous. But, they did beat us fair and square in two close games ... no excuses there. I can say in all seriousness, those was two of their most impressive wins of the season.

But it was their non-conference games that amazed me ...

In their other 8 South region games, they went 4 and 4, even though they only played two schools (Centre 17-7 and Rhodes 13-12) that had winning records.

Region - other than GSAC (4-4)
L 49 53  Greensboro 12-12
W 76 60  Ferrum 7-18
L 71 74  Oglethorpe 12-13
W 70 45  Lynchburg 3-22
L 56 65  Centre 17-7
L 57 59  Rhodes 13-12
W 68 54  Rhodes 13-12
W 84 75  Suwanee 7-17


And their 9 non-region games were even worse ...Dick Vitale would say, Cup-Cake City, baby.

Non-Region (8-1)
L 56 59  Manchester 9-16
W 82 79  Atlanta Christian 14-18
W 78 65  Atlanta Christian 14-18
W 64 54  Finlandia 4-15
W 73 68  Pensacola Christian
W 67 56  Pensacola Christian
W 70 55  Carver Bible
W 69 49  Wesley 15-10
W 98 95  Concordia 6-18

Our non-GSAC schedule was much more competitive. With the exception of Centre (and possibly Rhodes), we played six opponents who were tougher than anyone HC faced outside the GSAC. They were ... Millsaps 14-11, Rust 13-9, Averett 18-7, NAIA Southern Tech 19-9, Gordon 22-3, and DII North Ga 14-10. Also, we played perennial power Methodist 9-16 twice, who had a down year for them, but they still were a pretty good, veteran team.

So, I don't think those 18 wins are as impressive as they appear at first glance. Heck, they could have won about half of those with you or I in the starting line-up.    So once again, you have to look a little beyond "just the #s" to understand the talent levels of the teams/players involved.

Again, I'm not trying to bad mouth HC. They appear to be good guys and they had a good season. I'm just answering your question ...

[Griffcoach22]

It's funny how Old Lion 'creams' Huntingdon's schedule, but fails to mention that Piedmont played Warren Wilson - one of the worse 4 year programs in the nation, and Toccoa Falls College twice.  Don't question scheduling when typical teams like Rhodes and Sewanee (who have been to the NCAA's in recent years) have down years.  Old Lion touts Methodist as great wins on their schedule, when in fact Sewanee beat them this year too, and he says they were a bad win for Huntingdon.  Piedmont's only 2 GSAC wins came against a team that only won 6 or 7 games in LaGrange.  This is not a knock on Lagrange because I have a lot of respect for Coach Haynes.  You also say that Piedmont was two of Huntingdon's better wins....how 'bout Fisk and Maryville who were both regionally ranked at the time?  Again, Old Lion only sees through 'green' colored glasses. 

[Urban Myth]

all of those losses you state were before christmas too, when the team actually started coming together and put on that 11 game win streak after losing to Fisk and Maryville.  and speaking of Maryville, I believe they lost to Sewanee, who Huntingdon beat, and they also lost to Oglethorpe at home, which was one of the losses you had marked for Huntingdon, at Oglethorpe in OT.  and Concordia was a tough team no matter their record.  much like fisk, very athletic, and they beat West Alabama, who beat Montevallo (22-3).

i don't quite understand Duckworth's scheduling at times, but why don't ask him personally about that, maybe he'll give you a good answer.  old-lion, you are extremely biased towards your team, as is everyone else to a degree.  but didn't they play pensacola christian and atlanta christian also? oh, they also lost to greensboro and beat ferrum at the beginning of the season.

maybe we should quit bashing other teams and focus upon our own.

[ohyeah]

old lion - i like your loyalty...are you a player for piedmont or does your child go to piedmont?

GSAC Killa - what I do would not be called playing basketball anymore.  

[Hawks88]

A little more info on Huntingdon's schedule. I hate to call out my own school but that Wesley you see on the schedule isn't the Wesley you might think it is. Even though the link on the schedule goes to the one in Delaware, that was actually a Wesley College from Florence,Mississippi.

[old_lion]

It's funny how Old Lion 'creams' Huntingdon's schedule, but fails to mention that Piedmont played Warren Wilson - one of the worse 4 year programs in the nation, and Toccoa Falls College twice.  Don't question scheduling when typical teams like Rhodes and Sewanee (who have been to the NCAA's in recent years) have down years.  Old Lion touts Methodist as great wins on their schedule, when in fact Sewanee beat them this year too, and he says they were a bad win for Huntingdon.  Piedmont's only 2 GSAC wins came against a team that only won 6 or 7 games in LaGrange.  This is not a knock on Lagrange because I have a lot of respect for Coach Haynes.  You also say that Piedmont was two of Huntingdon's better wins....how 'bout Fisk and Maryville who were both regionally ranked at the time?  Again, Old Lion only sees through 'green' colored glasses. 

Geez! Reading comprehension, Griff, reading comprehension ...

Warren Wilson and Toccoa Falls ... sure, everyone has a few easy ones on their schedule ... Pensacola Christian and Atlanta Christian aren't all that good either. That's five games ...

Old Lion touts Methodist as great wins on their schedule??? No, I said, "they still were a pretty good, veteran team".

Old Lion touts Methodist as great wins on their schedule, when in fact Sewanee beat them this year too ... What's your point? Sewanee beat Maryville this year, what do you think that proves? Nothing, except that strange stuff happens sometimes.

he says they (Suwanee) were a bad win for Huntingdon ... Huh? No idea how you came up with that one ...

Don't question scheduling when typical teams like Rhodes and Sewanee (who have been to the NCAA's in recent years) have down years. Good point, at least you are on the right track ... that was my point in mentioning Methodist.

how 'bout Fisk and Maryville who were both regionally ranked at the time? Good point! Yeah, I thought those were two of HC's better wins, as well.   

OK Griff, let me try to make it simple for you. (Sit up straight now, and maybe the point won't go "over your head" again.) Oh yeah, asked the question, "Why doesn't PC have more wins?" It was implied, "Why does HC have more wins than PC, if Piedmont's overall talent is comparable with Huntingdon's?"

The essence of my response was that ... taken on the whole, PC played a much tougher non-GSAC schedule than HC did. And that was a major factor in HC having more wins. Obviously, the other major factor was that HC went 6-2 in the GSAC ... and I took off my "green colored glasses" and gave them kudos for that.

My overriding point has been for some time now ... while you can make a case that HC is better than PC (head to head match ups, 6-2 GSAC record) .... IMHO, it is pretty clear that they are not "3 to 1" better.

[mattgrubb]

good thing it is basketball where we actually get to play it out b/c if it was football, Griff and Old Lion may come to blows

Can't wait for the tourney

Hey guys, what is that smell?  It's march madness baby so get ready

Andy Chaney for life

[Griffcoach22]

Old Lion, how can you not justify it.  Piedmont lost to HC twice.  PC has a 2-6 in conference record.  With that record, having even ONE player on the all conferece team would be a blessing for whoever that one person may be.  You could easily justify three HC players from a team with 6 conference wins.

You make some great points for a PC fan.   

By the way, I am sitting up very straight and nothing you say is over anyone's head.  No one agrees with you.  YOU ARE 2-6!!!!! You should be the one bent over taking that butt kicking all year long.

I just don't see where you come up with the crap that you come up with. 

[Pat Coleman]

A little more info on Huntingdon's schedule. I hate to call out my own school but that Wesley you see on the schedule isn't the Wesley you might think it is. Even though the link on the schedule goes to the one in Delaware, that was actually a Wesley College from Florence,Mississippi.

Our schedule properly notes Wesley (Miss.).
http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Huntingdon&team=m

[coachwgh]

Hold up, wait a minute; Let me put some coachin' in it.

To win games you have to have good players and good scheduling.  Huntingdon has both.  In the past I have let pride get in the way of finding a team that we should go in knowing it is a W.  Well pride no more boys, I need to get to the 100 win plateau before I turn 100.  Coaches do more than call plays and throw jackets and one of the top two or three is schedule. 

Also, stop comparing somebody who beat somebody who lost to somebody's sister's bible study group.  Basketball and any sport for that matter doesn't follow the laws of a thereom or scientific law.  Every team has different personnel that play differently against different teams.  When Bobby Golden plays us he is being guarded by 6'3 and when he plays Huntingdon it is 6'8(just one example).  Teams have different styles.  Some teams can't keep up with us when we get stops and transition and some teams just dominate us in the half court so we can't run. 

[old_lion]

Old Lion, how can you not justify it.  Piedmont lost to HC twice.  PC has a 2-6 in conference record.  With that record, having even ONE player on the all conferece team would be a blessing for whoever that one person may be.  You could easily justify three HC players from a team with 6 conference wins.

You make some great points for a PC fan.   

By the way, I am sitting up very straight and nothing you say is over anyone's head.  No one agrees with you.  YOU ARE 2-6!!!!! You should be the one bent over taking that butt kicking all year long.

I just don't see where you come up with the crap that you come up with. 

OK, I see ... no matter what, you are going to continue to talk about only 8 games and refuse to acknowledge the other 17. Fine.

I only have one question ... How can you type, sitting there with fingers in both ears, squealing, "I'm not listening ... I'm not listening ..."?

Run along now ... OhYeah and I were trying to have a "big boy" discussion.

I just don't see where you come up with the crap that you come up with ... I have no problem at all believing that ... if your are indeed, sitting up straight, maybe you just aren't "tall enough", mentally. 

[old_lion]

Also, stop comparing somebody who beat somebody who lost to somebody's sister's bible study group.  Basketball and any sport for that matter doesn't follow the laws of a thereom or scientific law. 

Good point, Coach. There are always exceptions to ... well if A beat B, and B beat C, then A will be able to beat C. Just look at the results in the games involving Piedmont, Oglethorpe, Averett, and Maryville. You can't draw any reasonable conclusions based on those results ...

But one thing is for sure, the more often you play  "somebody's sister's bible study group" the more likely you are to pick up a few more wins.