MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

Griffcoach22 · February 25, 2006, 11:44:41 PM

Congratulations Hawks! Playing all those out of region non-D-3's paid off for you defensively. Everyone knows that is why you held Maryville to 25% from the field tonight!

Good luck getting into the tournament. If the GSAC gets a team, it will definitely be Huntingdon.

Urban Myth · February 25, 2006, 11:47:14 PM

Congratulations to the Hawks. They finally did it. Great overall team defense and rebounding. Held Maryville to 25% shooting and only 7 offensive rebounds, a huge improvement from what they usually give up on the boards.

Congrats to Allen White and Coach Duckworth. Let's hope they make that national tourney.

Old Lion, I can see why you said Piedmont should have had two players. Allen White proved why he was Player of the Year, Cole Hairston proved why he was 1st Team All Conference, but Justin Babian did not show up offensively. Good defense throughout, but I don't think he proved he was 2nd Team All Conference.

Congrats again, especially to the Huntingdon seniors.

old_lion · February 26, 2006, 12:53:50 PM

Great rebounding and defensive effort by the Hawks! It seemed like MC didn't get more than a couple of offensive rebounds the entire game. When you can hold MC to 48 points you've done something.

Congratulations Hawks!

One thing about the game did puzzle me, though. With almost 4 minutes to go and MC only down about a dozen or so ... Lambert pulled most of the starters ... and then cleared his bench with over 2 minutes to go???

HC's "Achilles heel" is their ball handling/guards. MC is loaded with quick, aggressive defenders ... Why not press the heck out of HC for the final few minutes and see what happens?

Hey, obviously Lambert is a great coach ... it just seemed to be a little early to throw in the towel ...

Can some of you MC fans (Killer?) explain that thinking ... finishing the game like that

GSAC Killer · February 26, 2006, 02:33:43 PM

No doubt about it the Hawks earned and deserved the victory.. They played with more passion then Fisk and Maryville this weekend and that is why they came up on top..
Although I still believe that Maryville and Fisk have better teams its always tough to win games when your Point Guards don't have good games.
You must have a "Pilot" who runs the system to win Conference Championships...
Old Lion you were at the game so I will tell you like this.. Did we get anything from our top 8 in 36 minutes of basketball?? Absolutely not... Most of the guys who Coach sat down for the exception of Chaney and Martin will be back.. Sometimes you must see what it truly means to lose a game... It fuels fire for the upcomign season....
On a side note I hope the guys use the lost as inspiration for next season.. Thats how it is when teams beat Maryville...
It has beenn a great season for everyone in the GSAC... Congrats to everyone but remember this, it is consistency thta makes you a good program and that is what we are here at Da Ville.. The hawks graduate everyone good luck staying on top as well as Fisk....

P.s. My Lady Scots won it all....(17-0) in the conference 22-6 overall and a NCAA tournament bid...... 4 Straight Conf. Championships...
Oh by the way I AM THE GSAC KILLA..... (20-0) AS A PLAYER (17-0) AS A COACH... WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 37-0............................

scottiedoug · February 26, 2006, 04:09:45 PM

Old-Lion: I think GSACKiller has it right. In the postgame interview on the radio, Randy said something like "None of the guys I had been playing seemed to want to play so I wanted to see if anyone else did. Maybe watching the other team celebrate will make some of my players work harder in the off season."

Having consistency year to year requires thinking all the time about the future. Having coaches who plan to be around for a while allows you to build and it is one thing about D3 that I really like. Coaches mostly are committed to things besides "moving up."

old_lion · February 26, 2006, 04:46:08 PM

Quote from: scottiedoug on February 26, 2006, 04:09:45 PM
Old-Lion: I think GSACKiller has it right.

(Old Lion you were at the game so I will tell you like this.. Did we get anything from our top 8 in 36 minutes of basketball?? Absolutely not... Most of the guys who Coach sat down for the exception of Chaney and Martin will be back.. Sometimes you must see what it truly means to lose a game... It fuels fire for the upcomign season....)

In the postgame interview on the radio, Randy said something like "None of the guys I had been playing seemed to want to play so I wanted to see if anyone else did. Maybe watching the other team celebrate will make some of my players work harder in the off season."

Having consistency year to year requires thinking all the time about the future. Having coaches who plan to be around for a while allows you to build and it is one thing about D3 that I really like. Coaches mostly are committed to things besides "moving up."

I see your point ... and who am I to question Lambert? He's "the man" in the GSAC ... I just couldn't believe he "threw in the towel" that early.

Urban Myth · February 26, 2006, 04:55:59 PM

Well it doesn't look like the season is quite over for the Scots. The projections have both Huntingdon and Maryville going, Maryville seeded 6th in the South, but place Huntingdon seeded 5th in the West region.

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/06/projected.htm

old_lion · February 26, 2006, 05:49:13 PM

Quote from: Urban Myth on February 25, 2006, 11:47:14 PM
Old Lion, I can see why you said Piedmont should have had two players. Allen White proved why he was Player of the Year, Cole Hairston proved why he was 1st Team All Conference, but Justin Babian did not show up offensively. Good defense throughout, but I don't think he proved he was 2nd Team All Conference.

Urban, I appreciate your acknowledging that it wasn't ridiculous to suggest that maybe PC should have had more than one all-GSAC guy ... but I wouldn't single out Babian, he certainly wasn't alone in having a "less the stellar" tourney.

Consider the tourney #s from the guys that did make it ... and from * the three PC guys I suggested deserved serious consideration.

I'll sort them by points per game, since obviously that's what a lot of people consider " most important".

PPG FGs 3s FTs rpg apg topg spg

Baldwin 27.0 11/12 0/0 5/8 3.0 0.0 1.0 1.0

91.7% 66.7%

White 23.0 14/34 3/6 15/19 10.5 0.5 4.5 1.0

41.2% 50.0% 78.9%

* Adams 20.0 7/11 2/3 4/4 0.0 2.0 0.0 1.0

63.6% 66.7% 100%

Patton 14.0 7/11 0/1 0/0 5.0 1.0 2.0 3.0

63.6% 0%

* Green 14.0 4/7 1/2 5/6 2.0 3.0 3.0 0.0

57.1% 50.0% 83.3%

PPG FGs 3s FTs rpg apg topg spg

Hairston 12.0 11/22 0/0 2/6 5.0 1.0 1.0 2.0

50.0% 33.3%

Williamson 11.0 3/13 1/4 4/4 2.0 1.0 1.0 1.0

23.1% 25.0% 100%

Golden 10.0 7/16 1/2 5/8 4.5 1.0 3.5 0.5

43.8% 50.0% 62.5%

* Walker 8.0 3/8 1/1 1/2 5.0 9.0 6.0 2.0

37.5% 100% 50.0%

Jackson 7.5 5/19 5/14 0/0 0.0 2.0 1.5 0.5

26.3% 35.7%

....................................................................................................................................

Mason 6.5 3/14 2/12 5/5 3.5 3.0 3.0 0.5

21.4% 16.7% 100%

Babian 4.0 2/14 1/9 3/4 3.0 2.5 2.5 1.0

14.3% 11.1% 75.0%

and finally ...

Ellis 0.0 0/7 0/0 0/0 9.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

0.0%

wilburt · February 26, 2006, 08:04:20 PM

Quote from: scottiedoug on February 26, 2006, 04:09:45 PM
Old-Lion: I think GSACKiller has it right. In the postgame interview on the radio, Randy said something like "None of the guys I had been playing seemed to want to play so I wanted to see if anyone else did. Maybe watching the other team celebrate will make some of my players work harder in the off season."

Having consistency year to year requires thinking all the time about the future. Having coaches who plan to be around for a while allows you to build and it is one thing about D3 that I really like. Coaches mostly are committed to things besides "moving up."

Well said Doug and Congratulations to Huntingdon. I hope both the Hawks and Scots make the tourney this season. The GSAC Killer is correct as well about Maryville and Fisk being the better teams. It comes down to who makes the better plays and Maryville and Fisk fell short this weekend. I expected Chris Adams to lead Fisk to a 20 win season, a Top 25 ranking, and for Chris to be named the GSAC POY. I hope next season with the new recruits coming to Nashville that we can build on what happened this year.

GSAC Killer · February 26, 2006, 08:40:42 PM

It would be nice to see two teams make it from the GSAC. It would give the conference some credibility...

Old Lion I sometimes think as fans we fail to realize who is to blame when losses occur.. I for one always say its the players... Our players didnt get it done, those are the plain facts.. 48 points!!! are you kidding me.....
Instead of saying the coach threw in the towel, how about saying the players threw in the towel ... Terrible performance for a team who was the back to back Conference Champions and had a big chance of making the tournament.. Now its up for grabs...
I hope they make it...

Pat Coleman · February 26, 2006, 08:42:59 PM

Quote from: GSAC Killer on February 26, 2006, 08:40:42 PM
It would be nice to see two teams make it from the GSAC. It would give the conference some credibility...

Only tournament performance can do that, not tournament presence.

Griffcoach22 · February 26, 2006, 08:50:59 PM

Old Lion and Urban,
Remember guys the GSAC All-Conference teams were selected by the GSAC coaches based on overall GSAC and regular season performance. Babian without question deserved to be selected based on that criteria. See his numbers on the HC statistics page. Players, particularly perimeters, have 'off' nights. IE..should JJ Redick no longer be considered for player of the year or 1st team all-american since he had 2 bad games in a row? In other words, Babian and others who struggled in the tourney performance can be questioned, but not whether they should be disqualified as all-conference. That selection occured before the tourney.

old_lion · February 26, 2006, 09:35:30 PM

Quote from: Griffcoach22 on February 26, 2006, 08:50:59 PM

Remember guys the GSAC All-Conference teams were selected by the GSAC coaches based on overall GSAC and regular season performance. Babian without question deserved to be selected based on that criteria.

I agree.

The only thing in question is, did he, Mason, and Ellis deserve to be selected more than the 3 PC guys I'm unashamedly championing?

That's open to debate ... but I can tell you this ... I wouldn't do a straight up, 3 for 3 swap.

Spencer Beaty · February 26, 2006, 09:37:56 PM

You know what, bad karma, bad schedule, bad presence of mind, bad coaching...etc. IT DOESNT MATTER. The team who puts it through the hoop and keeps the other team from doing so wins. MC really slumped toward the end of the season. Im not trying to point any fingers but a pure point guard like a Raul or even a reuben wouldnt hurt. Bo is a great player but he would be a better player at the 2 guard. I think maybe we could groom sammy into the starting PG and move bo to shooting guard and put JJ at 3 guard with a combination of Bobby Jerms and Bradley in the paint. Man this is the first time i can remember that the scots didnt make the tourney. It wasnt because of bad coaching though. Keep em' strong Randy.

Spencer Beaty · February 26, 2006, 09:41:15 PM

Pat or Ralph. Is there some sort of minimum amount of activity needed to retain my screen name and stats. Last year it deactivated my account